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Joe Biden beats Donald Trump, officially making Trump a one-term twice impeached, twice popular-vote losing president

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1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said:

Stop posting in here, it's not election night yet!

 

Was going to PM you but the bumper sticker is anti-Trump. 86 is usually kill or eliminate 45 is trump number as president, and the rest is the date of the election.

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1 hour ago, legend said:

 

I have no idea how to measure the actual impact odds, but I will say that Trump's efforts to suppress the science from federal agencies (more recently CDC, but more relevantly to this topic, the EPA, etc.) seems like it could have long lasting negative impacts if we let him go even further with it with another term. I'd be more specific but one of the problems with Trump is that because he make's a controversy every week, it's hard to remember the specifics of something he did to fuck the country that happened longer than a month ago.

 

Exactly.

 

Biden vs. Trump makes a material difference in the climate change conversation, more than just "shifting the timeline". It provides at least a pathway of hope to maybe saving ourselves. 

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13 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Exactly.

 

Biden vs. Trump makes a material difference in the climate change conversation, more than just "shifting the timeline". It provides at least a pathway of hope to maybe saving ourselves. 

 

The onus remains on you to show *how* this mere conversation shift creates an actual change that does more than lengthen the timeline when you're saying we need to reverse climate change. Your goal posts are shifting here to a much lower standard. Honestly though, it is a more reasonable standard than your initial notion that a Biden presidency gives a chance of reversing climate change :p 

5 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:
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favicon.ico Plan for Climate Change and Environmental Justice | Joe Biden

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Joe Biden knows climate change is the greatest threat facing our country and our world, and he has a bold plan for a clean energy revolution.

even if he doesn't accomplish even these modest legislative goals, the executive actions would result in far fewer emissions than continuing on with the status quo.

 

 

Yes, but what impact do those regulations have on warming temps in 2021-2024? What impacts do these regulations have on temps in 2100? If they don't meaningfully impact that, then they are largely irrelevant to the position you and Great have that doomsday is coming.

But might it be that those regulations are good for reasons besides their meager impact on temps? 

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1 minute ago, sblfilms said:

 

The onus remains on you to show *how* this mere conversation shift creates an actual change that does more than lengthen the timeline when you're saying we need to reverse climate change. Your goal posts are shifting here to a much lower standard. Honestly though, it is a more reasonable standard than your initial notion that a Biden presidency gives a chance of reversing climate change :p 

 

Yes, but what impact do those regulations have on warming temps in 2021-2024? What impacts do these regulations have on temps in 2100? If they don't meaningfully impact that, then they are largely irrelevant to the position you and Great have that doomsday is coming.

But might it be that those regulations are good for reasons besides their meager impact on temps? 

 

I did show you - I explained that Biden's competence and belief in climate change alone will shift the Overton window enough to begin making a difference. As well as the appointments he makes at the EPA, etc. It will be significantly better than Trump at least. Will it materially change anything? Maybe not, but also it might with a post-Biden world in terms of future presidents after him, etc. Trump, the conclusion is a given (climate change will clearly win). With Biden, the conclusion isn't a given (we may still likely get fucked, but maybe not). I'm still not sure what you're disagreeing with me on on this. :p 

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9 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

 

The onus remains on you to show *how* this mere conversation shift creates an actual change that does more than lengthen the timeline when you're saying we need to reverse climate change. Your goal posts are shifting here to a much lower standard. Honestly though, it is a more reasonable standard than your initial notion that a Biden presidency gives a chance of reversing climate change :p 

 

Yes, but what impact do those regulations have on warming temps in 2021-2024? What impacts do these regulations have on temps in 2100? If they don't meaningfully impact that, then they are largely irrelevant to the position you and Great have that doomsday is coming.

But might it be that those regulations are good for reasons besides their meager impact on temps? 

Warming temps in that time frame are baked in--they have been for about 40 years. So unless there's a time machine involved, we know roughly where we're going in the next few years. The emissions we create today are the warming of about 40 years from now. So every ton of carbon we don't emit now is time we have purchased to adapt to a changing climate that with every extra ton emitted compounds on the existing, baked in change that is/has occurred. And getting on the path to carbon net neutral (I hate this) by 2050 is a big deal by 2100. And again, the more we collectively don't emit the more time we have to adapt, and hopefully the less bad thing are overall.

 

Not putting forth the effort is the far bigger issue because we don't know truly how bad it can get.

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51 minutes ago, Chairslinger said:

 

 

Do any projections have his chances of cobbling together a path if he loses PA?

 

It has to be nearly 0% at this point....


If Trump loses any one of the following, he loses the election:

 

Florida

North Carolina

Georgia

Pennsylvania

Arizona

 

 

This is all assuming Biden wins Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. All of which he is the clear favorite to win. 

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