SaysWho? Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 Bush is popular because of his personality since he's easy to get along with, and such a personality shines. It was harder during the Bush years starting around 2004 when his popularity started to sink (though high enough to beat Kerry) because no amount of personality could save him from a terrible Katrina response, a war that cost mountains of lives senselessly, and politics that helped pave the way for Trump. I can, and have, talked to people about how I think Trump is a hideous, terrible president but hasn't quite measured up to Bush's level of awfulness due to policies alone (though at least Bush was more open toward immigrants and signed a big campaign-finance bill into law), and I did say that Trump keeps doing his best to top Bush on the bad president scale. And usually people, including independents with whom I speak, will point that Bush wasn't trying to be as divisive and hateful as Trump. And yes, his rhetoric was better. Yes, Bush is better to people than Trump as was evident with the seamless transition to Obama who campaigned on changing the course of the country from Bush's disastrous policies. And yes, as crazy as it is to think since we were polarized in the 2000s, Bush actually worked with Democrats. People just don't think along the lines of forever hating a president, which is why most former presidents become more popular after leaving office. We can only hope the same won't be said for Trump since people hated him before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 37 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: And usually people, including independents with whom I speak, will point that Bush wasn't trying to be as divisive and hateful as Trump. They don't remember the 04 campaign I take it. Between swiftboating and pushing ballot initiatives across the country to ban gay marriage this kind of talk is just looking through rose colored glasses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaysWho? Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: They don't remember the 04 campaign I take it. Between swiftboating and pushing ballot initiatives across the country to ban gay marriage this kind of talk is just looking through rose colored glasses Exactly. But it didn't happen last year so it's easier to forgive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Bush may be a bad president but he's America's bad president 🇺🇸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Bush has also been a big image rehabilitation tour since he left office, which helps people think better about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 37 minutes ago, Dodger said: Bush has also been a big image rehabilitation tour since he left office, which helps people think better about him. Bush has also always been a bit more humble, at least in his public persona. I'm sure Trump's diehards love his narcissism, but for anyone that doesn't it can be incredibly grating. It's really easy to hate his smug face and attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Bush has also always been a bit more humble, at least in his public persona. I'm sure Trump's diehards love his narcissism, but for anyone that doesn't it can be incredibly grating. It's really easy to hate his smug face and attitude. Humble and a sense of humor. Watch Obama greet former presidents and watch how Bush reacts to Obama. I always remind people of how bad Bush was and connect the dots from his daddy's "rah rah America, ACLU is unpatriotic because they don't want the pledge in schools" and Bush II's "rah rah America, Cleland and Saddam, Kerry is a wuss" stuff as part of a long path to what got us to Trump. But the "I'd like to have a beer with Bush" persona is real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Humble and a sense of humor. Watch Obama greet former presidents and watch how Bush reacts to Obama. I always remind people of how bad Bush was and connect the dots from his daddy's "rah rah America, ACLU is unpatriotic because they don't want the pledge in schools" and Bush II's "rah rah America, Cleland and Saddam, Kerry is a wuss" stuff as part of a long path to what got us to Trump. But the "I'd like to have a beer with Bush" persona is real. About as real as could be. I just don't trust the humanity of anyone that can work their way up to president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thewhyteboar Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, osxmatt said: By November there will be just one polling place left in Georgia. It will be on top of a mountain, surrounded by a moat, protected by guards and attack dogs. Brian Kemp will cast the only vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Dems could take Georgia Senate seats Quote Georgia voters cast their first votes Tuesday in an election cycle that could potentially have earthshaking consequences for the U.S. Senate, and Democrats are increasingly optimistic they could wrest two seats — and ultimately the Senate majority — from Republicans. It takes 100k dead, 40 million unemployed, and riots in every major city for Dems to feel like they have a chance. But give people slightly more accessible healthcare and repubs sweep. Failed state. USA is turbo fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, osxmatt said: What a great country we live in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Trying to flip Georgia might be a lost cause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subzwari1987 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Jacksonville tentatively chosen as site of RNC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, Subzwari1987 said: Jacksonville tentatively chosen as site of RNC @sexy_shapiro - we're so very, very sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, Subzwari1987 said: Jacksonville tentatively chosen as site of RNC Oh shit... my buddy is gonna be PISSED... "runs to call now" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 13 hours ago, Jason said: For context, he has been in Congress in 1989, serving the Bronx. He has a primary challenger from the left and was at an event last week in the Bronx talking to the borough president. He really wanted to speak, but there was a long list of speakers. Then he said, "If I didn’t have a primary I wouldn’t care.” The borough president responded, "Don't do that to me. We're not going to do this, we're not politicizing. Everybody's got a primary, you know?" He released a statement later: "In the context of running for reelection, I thought it was important for people to know where I stand, that's why I asked to speak. Of course I care deeply about what's happening in this country, that's what I wanted to convey. I love the Bronx, grew up in the Bronx and lived here all my life. I would not have tried to impose on the Borough President if I didn't think it was important." I can see the most generous interpretation, that he wouldn't be so insistent if he wasn't in a competitive race. And I'm sure internally, anyone would think that. But considering the purpose of the event (I think it had to do with the protests in the Bronx), it's pretty tone deaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Trump campaign demands CNN apologize for poll showing Biden leading on Trump CNN refused. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexy_shapiro Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Emperor Diocletian II said: @sexy_shapiro - we're so very, very sorry Ugh. I was preparing for the worst. But still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Trump campaign demands CNN apologize for poll showing Biden leading on Trump CNN refused. Why would Trump care? I thought he didn't watch CNN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 He's going for the confederate vote, lol. But seriously wtf is he talking about no one cares what the bases are named. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: He's going for the confederate vote, lol. But seriously wtf is he talking about no one cares what the bases are named. We have a history of losing at this point I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, SlipperySlope said: We have a history of losing at this point I think What's the list of conflicts that the US has engaged in and won/lost? Obviously some can't be easily categorized because their was no clear objective...though I'd probably lump those into the L column since they were wastes. I think the easy answers for major conflicts are: W Spanish-American War WWI WWII Gulf War I L Vietnam Draw 1812 Korea Gulf War II (though I guess you could say the "war" was a W, followed by a lost occupation) Honourable Loss Mentions: War on Drugs War on Terror War on Obesity War on Poverty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 @CitizenVectron Spanish American War is a win 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Add "War on Poverty" to Hono(u)rable Loss Mentions and Mexican-American War to "Win" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 I mean sure lets move an event with thousands of people in a couple months! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 RNC preview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: RNC preview 1. COVID breeding ground. 2. Black dude in the front is looking at the camera like he knows they've strategically positioned the only black person in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jason said: 1. COVID breeding ground. 2. Black dude in the front is looking at the camera like he knows they've strategically positioned the only black person in the room. Yyyup. Was going to say he was obviously pulled from the middle of the gaggle and told "stand right here and don't move or we'll shoot." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 It begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamer.tv Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Excellent picture choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Outside of a republican, there's not many choices that could be less apt for the times than Val Demings Quote Of course, the notion that police reform would best be brought by a former police chief is animated by the same logic behind going to Larry Summers to enact meaningful banking reform in the wake of a financial crisis. Which is to say, it’s the backwards thinking that has long had a home in the Democratic Party, a more self-defeating version of Nixon going to China. But the party has been at best standoffish toward the Black Lives Matter movement throughout its existence, only pivoting in the past few weeks to chase this swing in public opinion. Appointing Demings would be a return to that long-standing norm, not a surprising tactical zag from the enduring champions of police accountability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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