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I think one of the most damming parts of the indictment is communications between Trump and his team in late October, with a draft speech about how the election was stolen and there was rampant voter fraud. 
 

Steve Bannon has said as much out loud, but it’s now very clear and on paper in our legal system that this was a strategy, not a reaction. 

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Tried to bear @ort's cross for him and all they really had in the feed when I looked were a very matter of fact article of 'These are the charges' and a super tepid bit from a lawyer claiming the charges might infringe on political speech. Who knows what the spin looks like now that more time has passed but oh my god please dude, do not go looking for it. Don't do it.

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4 hours ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

There has been so much bullshit in the last 8 years that its truly forgivable. We've been living in one long Trump fart of fog for all that time.  

 

It probably won't happen, but God I hope this is what finally takes him down.  We've have to suffer for the past 8+ years suffocating from this big fat orange fart cloud, and I want to finally breathe again

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2 minutes ago, marioandsonic said:

 

It probably won't happen, but God I hope this is what finally takes him down.  We've have to suffer for the past 8+ years suffocating from this big fat orange fart cloud, and I want to finally breathe again

Do we really think that the Republican party will be a sane opposition party and not double down?

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1 hour ago, Chadatog said:

Do we really think that the Republican party will be a sane opposition party and not double down?

 

Depends on how you define sane. From the pov of us progressives, no, never. But Trump going down as a convicted criminal, and DeSantis going down for being too extreme, might force a reset of the GOP party. A crisis of introspection. It won't change their overarching policies, but they'll be forced to clamor for a new breed of candidate that can move the needle of the widespread voting populace.

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37 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

The gop has been losing in states like CA for decades and instead of moderating they double down on the insane shit

 

It's really astounding why anyone would think going extreme is a winning move, at least long term.  Like you said, there is a reason why CA is essentially unwinnable for the GOP anymore.  It's also why a candidate like Beto couldn't win Texas.  He was viewed as too extreme for the electorate there.  A party out of power that can run moderate (and likable) candidates has a better shot at winning than running conspiracy theorists and demagogues. 

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1 hour ago, Reputator said:

 

Depends on how you define sane. From the pov of us progressives, no, never. But Trump going down as a convicted criminal, and DeSantis going down for being too extreme, might force a reset of the GOP party. A crisis of introspection. It won't change their overarching policies, but they'll be forced to clamor for a new breed of candidate that can move the needle of the widespread voting populace.

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Tough luck with that

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2 hours ago, Reputator said:

 

Depends on how you define sane. From the pov of us progressives, no, never. But Trump going down as a convicted criminal, and DeSantis going down for being too extreme, might force a reset of the GOP party. A crisis of introspection. It won't change their overarching policies, but they'll be forced to clamor for a new breed of candidate that can move the needle of the widespread voting populace.


Paul Ryan had said up until Trump won in 2016, he had some post-mortem written out for the GOP on how to connect with the actual voters of the country.

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1 hour ago, MarSolo said:

Paul Ryan had said up until Trump won in 2016, he had some post-mortem written out for the GOP on how to connect with the actual voters of the country.

 

I used to think Paul Ryan was Charlie Kirk level stupid, but he got the fuck out of dodge after he secured his bag, so... perhaps not.

 

That said he's still a fucking moron.

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2 hours ago, Brick said:

I thought after Romney in 2012 the Republicans would dial back on the crazy, and have policies actual people living in the 21st century would agree upon. Instead they got Trumped. 

 

I remember a bunch of them grumbled about running people too moderate after their Presidential losses in 2008 and 2012, and here we are.

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On 8/15/2023 at 9:00 AM, silentbob said:

I hope this is it, but sadly I still have some worry because it could possibly become another federal court case. I was glued to CNN once the papers were handed to the judge. Their experts said that there was a slight chance it could become a federal case because most of the crime Trump committed was done while he was still President. Sadly making him a federal worker, but he was still doing this shit after Biden took over. So I’m gonna still cross my fingers going forward that is stays a State crime

 

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This is quite a stretch. 

 

Politico went a bit deeper into this situation.  In essence, Trump's attorneys will attempt to claim that he was acting in his capacity as an "officer of the federal government" and therefore the "removal statute" would be applicable:

 

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An early test for Georgia prosecutors: Trump’s likely bid to take the case to federal court - POLITICO

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He's virtually certain to try to transfer the case in hopes of a friendlier jury pool and the chance to draw one of his own judges.

 

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To try to get the case into federal court, Trump is expected to argue that much of the conduct he’s been charged with was undertaken in his capacity as an officer of the federal government, because he was still president during the critical period when he and his allies attempted to subvert the 2020 election results. A federal law, known as a “removal statute,” generally allows any “officer of the United States” who is prosecuted or sued in state court to transfer the case to federal court if the case stems from the officer’s governmental duties.

 

Trump has already attempted to make this move in New York, where he’s facing state charges for falsifying business records to cover up an affair with a porn star. A federal judge there rejected the effort and directed the case back to state court, noting that the charges there didn’t really implicate Trump’s powers as president.

 

 

Meadows has already filed such a motion:

 

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Mark Meadows seeks to move Fulton County election case to federal court - ABC News

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Former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows officially filed Tuesday to move the election interference case brought against him in Fulton County into federal court.

 

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Former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows officially filed Tuesday to move the case brought against him by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis into federal court, just a day after he was indicted along with former President Donald Trump and 17 others on charges of attempting to overturn Trump's election loss in the state.

 

The filing from Meadows' attorney George Terwilliger and Atlanta-based attorney Joseph Englert is based on a federal law that they argue requires the removal of criminal proceedings brought in state court to the federal court system when someone is charged for actions they allegedly took as a federal official acting "under color" of their office.

 

Trump is also expected to mount a similar effort, according to sources familiar with the matter.

 

"Nothing Mr. Meadows is alleged in the indictment to have done is criminal per se: arranging Oval Office meetings, contacting state officials on the President's behalf, visiting a state government building, and setting up a phone call for the President," Terwilliger wrote in the filing. "One would expect a Chief of Staff to the President of the United States to do these sorts of things."

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

 

Politico went a bit deeper into this situation.  In essence, Trump's attorneys will attempt to claim that he was acting in his capacity as an "officer of the federal government" and therefore the "removal statute" would be applicable:

 

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An early test for Georgia prosecutors: Trump’s likely bid to take the case to federal court - POLITICO

WWW.POLITICO.COM
He's virtually certain to try to transfer the case in hopes of a friendlier jury pool and the chance to draw one of his own judges.

 

 

Meadows has already filed such a motion:

 

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Mark Meadows seeks to move Fulton County election case to federal court - ABC News

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Former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows officially filed Tuesday to move the election interference case brought against him in Fulton County into federal court.

 

 


Yes, Meadows and other executive employees have a much stronger claim. POTUS stands in a very different role.

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Listening to Legal AF this morning, one of the hosts theorized that a potential reason why Meadows (and Meadows on his own) is pursuing this strategy is because he is cooperating with Smith and has already plead guilty.  Once in front of a federal judge he/his lawyer will argue that the GA charges against him should be dismissed because of his extensive cooperation.  I'm not sure why he couldn't make that argument to the  Fulton county judge and prosecutor though. 

 

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meadows getting removed to federal court may allow all the defendants to be removed to federal court for judicial economy grounds

 

but all it would do is change the venue, judge, federal rules of criminal procedure, and jury pool. GA state law would still apply. 
 

meadows was probably the only one who could make the case that he was acting in a legal manner under his official and legal duties. Like Jeffery Clark was an environmental lawyer and was told by his bosses to stop his shit. 

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Yeah, the change of venue doesn’t suddenly make Trump immune from GA law. The biggest win for Trump in entering the federal system is that it changes the jury pool from Fulton County (very Dem leaning) to potentially statewide. That isn’t an insignificant thing, and you can see why his team would push for that.

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I would like to think that you could never act in an "official capacity" as an "officer of the federal government" in an election you're a candidate for. You would have to imagine that Trump would have to make a convincing argument that he was merely trying to uncover evidence of voter fraud, which might be a valid function of the government, versus Trump trying to overturn the election into his favor, which would be in a personal capacity.

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14 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Yeah, the change of venue doesn’t suddenly make Trump immune from GA law. The biggest win for Trump in entering the federal system is that it changes the jury pool from Fulton County (very Dem leaning) to potentially statewide. That isn’t an insignificant thing, and you can see why his team would push for that.

I believe it’s the Northern district of GA only, not statewide, but still helpful as that includes the district of MTG. 

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2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I believe it’s the Northern district of GA only, not statewide, but still helpful as that includes the district of MTG. 


By default, this would be the district and is a more favorable outcome than Fulton County alone. He would almost certainly move to get a statewide pool though, and there are many examples of this being granted. But anything that moves him to a more favorable pool is a win. Trump has spent a lot of time crafting an identity for his followers that makes them a danger to a fair hearing of the case. Probably his best chance to escape this case is a change of venue.

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