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1 hour ago, Bloodporne said:

It blows my mind these self-proclaimed revolutionaries willingly entered their information into a database essentially. Like this was EVER going to go another way. But yeah, Grand Emperor The Lord Trump has your back lulz. 

Trump has no use for that low class trash.

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2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

lol. Antitrust? AWS is definitely a big player...but there are many other cloud hosting providers. They should try their luck with MS, lol.

 

AWS

Google

MS

Switch

 

Those are the ones off the top of my head that can host large websites.  There are probably a dozen more. 

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There are some theoretical antitrust concerns with AWS. If Amazon is using data from AWS to gather proprietary information from competitors or something, they're certainly big enough to face anti-trust issues.

 

Refusing to host a website after they break your TOS is definitely not going to get them in trouble beyond some Republicans yelling at them in their next congressional hearing.

 

 

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Reading a bit more about the Parler lawsuit against Amazon, they're making the argument that since Twitter uses AWS, Amazon is using their market power to help Twitter, which is just stupid on the face of it. Since both are AWS customers, why the hell would Amazon care where users go? If anything, Amazon would have a compelling interest in seeing more Twitter size customers use their platform. Besides, Amazon hosts tons of competitors on AWS, even competitors to Amazon's own products, like Netflix (where a legit antitrust conflict could actually exist).

 

There's some contract stuff that could be more legit, but given Parler's very public stance on not moderating the problematic content, I don't think Amazon will have much trouble convincing a judge that Parler was in breach for quite a while. 

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Looks like Epik (wiki link) will be hosting Parler. Epic is a registrar and host that also serves 8chan, Gab, and the Daily Stormer, so Parler will be in good company.

 

I would expect the transition to still take a little while, since it's not only just a matter of moving the domain name and hosting, but also transferring info and setting up all sorts of other services (like Twillo auth) that they need to replace.

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2 minutes ago, TwinIon said:

Looks like Epik (wiki link) will be hosting Parler. Epic is a registrar and host that also serves 8chan, Gab, and the Daily Stormer, so Parler will be in good company.

 

I would expect the transition to still take a little while, since it's only just a matter of moving the domain name and hosting, but transferring info, as well as setting up all sorts of other services (like Twillo auth) that they need to replace.

 

Very fine people domains. 

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38 minutes ago, TwinIon said:

Looks like Epik (wiki link) will be hosting Parler. Epic is a registrar and host that also serves 8chan, Gab, and the Daily Stormer, so Parler will be in good company.

 

I would expect the transition to still take a little while, since it's only just a matter of moving the domain name and hosting, but transferring info, as well as setting up all sorts of other services (like Twillo auth) that they need to replace.

With no support on ios or Android, they are mostly done.

 

Instead itll be old white men screaming into the void on their 20 year old laptop browsers.

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4 hours ago, TwinIon said:

Looks like Epik (wiki link) will be hosting Parler. Epic is a registrar and host that also serves 8chan, Gab, and the Daily Stormer, so Parler will be in good company.

 

I would expect the transition to still take a little while, since it's not only just a matter of moving the domain name and hosting, but also transferring info and setting up all sorts of other services (like Twillo auth) that they need to replace.

 

That's like the vortex of insane crazy people then I see. 

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Amazon's response to Parler was filed Tuesday and while I'm no lawyer, I think they have a pretty good case.

 

I can't find a great twitter thread breaking down the important bits, but apparently Amazon has been repeatedly telling Parler that they need to better moderate their content, for months. Parler hardly changed their moderation at all, relying largely on "volunteers" and at some point admitting to Amazon they had a backlog of 26,000 reports they hadn't gone through.

 

So Parler's contract with Amazon stated they couldn't host much of this content (which Amazon provides examples of you can see in the above linked Verge post), Amazon warned them they needed to clean it up, Parler did nothing significant in response while holding a public position that they wouldn't be, and ruling in favor of Parler would effectively be forcing Amazon to host speech that is heinous, against their own TOS, and arguably against the law.

 

They also address the Twitter antitrust issue, noting that Parler doesn't even suggest that Amazon and Twitter conspired, that there is no such communication anyways, and also that they don't even host the Twitter feed portion of Twitter, so any comparisons to Twitter content is irrelevant anyways.

 

It's no shock, but I think Amazon has better lawyers than Parler and it seems the facts are on their side.

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1 hour ago, TwinIon said:

Amazon's response to Parler was filed Tuesday and while I'm no lawyer, I think they have a pretty good case.

 

I can't find a great twitter thread breaking down the important bits, but apparently Amazon has been repeatedly telling Parler that they need to better moderate their content, for months. Parler hardly changed their moderation at all, relying largely on "volunteers" and at some point admitting to Amazon they had a backlog of 26,000 reports they hadn't gone through.

 

So Parler's contract with Amazon stated they couldn't host much of this content (which Amazon provides examples of you can see in the above linked Verge post), Amazon warned them they needed to clean it up, Parler did nothing significant in response while holding a public position that they wouldn't be, and ruling in favor of Parler would effectively be forcing Amazon to host speech that is heinous, against their own TOS, and arguably against the law.

 

They also address the Twitter antitrust issue, noting that Parler doesn't even suggest that Amazon and Twitter conspired, that there is no such communication anyways, and also that they don't even host the Twitter feed portion of Twitter, so any comparisons to Twitter content is irrelevant anyways.

 

It's no shock, but I think Amazon has better lawyers than Parler and it seems the facts are on their side.

 

TBH did anyone expect Amazons probably infinite lawyers to fuck anything up against parler?

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I found this kinda funny: Pirate Bay Founder Thinks Parler’s Inability to Stay Online Is ‘Embarrassing’

 

I do think it shows an incredible lack of foresight on behalf of Parler that they didn't see this coming and prepare for it in the least. You could maybe argue that Gab was rightfully caught off guard, even though there had been examples like 4chan/8kun/TPB they should have learned from, but Parler launched about a month after Gab got deplatformed. It's incredible to me that they didn't think it could happen to them.

 

Honestly, I think the difference between something like Pirate Bay and Parler's ability to stay online is that the Pirate Bay was a "tech" organization, and Parler is not. It makes a lot of sense to build most new companies on existing frameworks and platforms. Why hire smart tech guys that could build a hosting infrastructure when you can just sign up for an AWS account? Why build a software stack for auth when you can use Twillo or a payment stack when you can use Stripe? Why have any in-house tech knowledge when you can outsource it to companies that have already solved those problems?

 

If I was trying to sell widgets online, there probably wouldn't be any reason to do any of that. My core competency would need to be the creation and distribution of widgets, not the boring tech stack that my store runs on. However, if you build your entire company around the idea that this is the place for terrible people to say terrible things and not get punished for it, you have no right to be surprised when some of that content gets you in trouble. 230 might protect you from the government, but it's not going to give your company the knowledge base to stand up your own servers. 

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