b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 an African swine fever virus pandemic in hogs may have had an influence on the transmission of a cross species covid precursor reaching Wuhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: an African swine fever virus pandemic in hogs may have had an influence on the transmission of a cross species covid precursor reaching Wuhan Everyone freaking out about the lab leak idea but it was really just 30-50 feral hogs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I know this board looks up Jon Stewart but he’s been losing after his retirement. He seems to think the lab leak was possible. Maybe we shouldn’t put comedians on pedestals anymore when it comes to commenting on real issues… Before someone reflexively jumps to Jon Stewart’s defense, would you be saying the same thing if Joe Rogan said it? Because this is totally something I’d normally expect from Joe Rogan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I don't know how much the board at large looks up to Jon Steward anymore. When this aired, I was vocal (elsewhere) about him being really really bad-faith about this. Like, he perpetuated this dumbass conspiracy kind of as a joke, but also, as his personal ideas for what happened. Joe Rogan was, in fact, the first example that popped into my mind when I saw this clip of who would parrot this kind of nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 That video is from a couple of weeks after this: Covid origin: Why the Wuhan lab-leak theory is being taken seriously WWW.BBC.COM The claim Covid-19 may have leaked from a Chinese laboratory is gaining traction. Here's what we know. So it looks like it wasn't some random batshit thing he just pulled out of his butt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 No, it was. It was during the media furor over lab leak though. So in context it was when a lot of people in media were uncritically repeating it as "well, what if" or "some experts are saying." The lab leak hypothesis has always been the least likely of origins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, CayceG said: I don't know how much the board at large looks up to Jon Steward anymore. When this aired, I was vocal (elsewhere) about him being really really bad-faith about this. Like, he perpetuated this dumbass conspiracy kind of as a joke, but also, as his personal ideas for what happened. Joe Rogan was, in fact, the first example that popped into my mind when I saw this clip of who would parrot this kind of nonsense. TBF the former head of the CDC Robert Redfield says he thought it was a lab leak, so more people that just the Joe Rogans of the world have talked about the idea. As for me I thought it shouldn't be ruled out but it was foolish to make any proclamations until more studies were done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 The problem isn’t the origin of the virus, it’s China’s lack of transparency regarding the beginning stages of the outbreak. At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter where it came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: TBF the former head of the CDC Robert Redfield says he thought it was a lab leak, so more people that just the Joe Rogans of the world have talked about the idea. As for me I thought it shouldn't be ruled out but it was foolish to make any proclamations until more studies were done. Right. It was foolish to say anything until it was studied further. Which is why the former head of the CDC Robert Redfield was stupid to say so. Joe Rogan doesn't know better. CDC head does. Especially when it's a political statement made from a political position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, Chris- said: The problem isn’t the origin of the virus, it’s China’s lack of transparency regarding the beginning stages of the outbreak. At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter where it came from. Not if you've got an anti 'communist'/Chinese axe to grind. I do agree though. The instinctive nature towards secrecy (which we have here, to a much lesser degree) looks bad even if it is just the standard state reaction to anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 Everything I have read suggests the lab leak is still very much a viable hypothesis for the origin. As is, the theory of a natural transmission via an intermediate species. There is no smoking gun for either theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Firewithin Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 he wont die though. the ones who deserve it the most never do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Firewithin said: he wont die though. the ones who deserve it the most never do REGENERON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Komusha said: I know this board looks up Jon Stewart but he’s been losing after his retirement. He seems to think the lab leak was possible. Maybe we shouldn’t put comedians on pedestals anymore when it comes to commenting on real issues… Before someone reflexively jumps to Jon Stewart’s defense, would you be saying the same thing if Joe Rogan said it? Because this is totally something I’d normally expect from Joe Rogan. Jon Stewart is a goober and has been for a long fucking time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jason said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69los Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Fully vaccinated but had to mention he's taking Regeneron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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69los Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: SEC! SEC! SEC! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Gov. Ducey announces $163M in grants for schools without mask mandates WWW.ABC15.COM Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey announced Tuesday that he has allocated $163 million in grants, using federal funds, for district and charter schools that are 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaysWho? Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Guy who makes Texas unsafe gets the good shit for treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Jason said: Everyone freaking out about the lab leak idea but it was really just 30-50 feral hogs. This is why I own 3 (or is it 4 now?) AR-15s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Guy who makes Texas unsafe gets the good shit for treatment. Yup. His policies kill an untold amount of people while he personally is kept healthy and whole. It's a perfect metaphor for the Republican party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Gov. Ducey announces $163M in grants for schools without mask mandates WWW.ABC15.COM Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey announced Tuesday that he has allocated $163 million in grants, using federal funds, for district and charter schools that are Just pure insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69los Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 A friend of mine is driving to Mexico to buy a bunch ivermectin, not because he wants to take it, but because a bunch of people are wanting it such that people are buying it for crazy prices and sometimes even buying veterinary grade versions because it is apparently hard to get real doctors to prescribe it. I just can’t begin to understand how somebody gets to the point of taking such a product but still foregoing vaccination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, sblfilms said: A friend of mine is driving to Mexico to buy a bunch ivermectin, not because he wants to take it, but because a bunch of people are wanting it such that people are buying it for crazy prices and sometimes even buying veterinary grade versions because it is apparently hard to get real doctors to prescribe it. I just can’t begin to understand how somebody gets to the point of taking such a product but still foregoing vaccination. Faaaaaaaacebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 22 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Faaaaaaaacebook Certainly that is the medium, but I legit don’t understand the process by which content consumed there becomes real and persuasive in the mind of the reader. I was talking to a friend recently who was concerned about getting her daughters vaccinated due to fertility issues and she couldn’t articulate why she believed this was worthy of concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I never even heard of this drug until 5 minutes ago. Are its miracle properties floating around the Chud-sphere or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Certainly that is the medium, but I legit don’t understand the process by which content consumed there becomes real and persuasive in the mind of the reader. I was talking to a friend recently who was concerned about getting her daughters vaccinated due to fertility issues and she couldn’t articulate why she believed this was worthy of concern. I don’t think it’s all that different from advertising in general; exposure affects everyone to varying degrees and it’s typically more effective when it’s coming from someone you know. When you have confirmation bias boosted by the algorithm and friends as a combo platter, it’s inevitable to some extent / for some people. I think it’s common for people to believe lots of myths based on this stuff, many of them just aren’t as flagrant or harmful as taking a veterinary dewormer / anti parasitic to fight a virus. How many people spend more time / effort / water hydrating than is necessary, or swear by intermittent fasting beyond what research shows is effective? 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: I never even heard of this drug until 5 minutes ago. Are its miracle properties floating around the Chud-sphere or something? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: r swear by intermittent fasting beyond what research shows is effective? As many people as there are bros in the bay area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 My work went from sending a company wide email saying masks were optional, then one saying masks were recommended, then another saying they were mandatory, then an email saying we had one known positive, then another positive the next day, and now everyone in the building has to get tested. All this in less than 2 weeks. Maybe they shouldn’t have tried to keep from hurting people’s feelings and just mandated masks from the start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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