5timechamp Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 I wonder if hes not opposing it publicly but maneuvering behind the scenes… I just need this “megaton” revelation to be done once and for all.. not expecting anything… too many “got’im” fakeouts over the years.. Government servants or not im sure theres enough kool aid drinkers in the government to tip Trump off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 21 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Unless she's got a clearance isn't her reading classified documents illegal? I don't think they can do anything to you if you don't have a clearance since you never signed anything obligating you to protect the information. I remember when Wikileaks first got big with the Manning dump, the only leverage they had on people without clearances to not read it was that if you applied for a federal job or clearance and the feds found out, you'd get rejected/fired. Even if you had a clearance and now don't, I don't think they can really do anything to you unless it's stuff you had access to while you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, MarSolo said: Oh, Trump is full defiant mode, you love to see it: Can a judge use this to release everything still. That is if Trump decides to try and say no later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Trump is totally doing a covert campaign to keep it secret. He could release it himself right now, but having plausible deniability while trusting the Judge rejects the DOJ motion is his only hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 The thing is, this being “high crime” and “if” they found what they were looking for then why not detain.. still with the kid gloves., honestly if this is so ultra top secret, common sense says no schmo can grab this and plant it… not that the Cult 45 drinkers can follow the logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: The defense will say that they clearly provided the source "what.i.meme". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Like others have said I wouldn't be surprised a damn bit if Trump fights the release in court regardless of that statement. The rightwing media echochamber will ensure that most on the right aren't even aware of the doublespeak. If this does result in an actual release and fairly damning evidence it will be hilarious to watch the GOP's midterm messaging slip from the economy and inflation to "the ex president has every right to make paper airplanes from pieces of paper full of nuclear secrets and throw them around the Mar-a-lago lobby". Dream scenario is a Georgia 2.0 where Trump can't help himself, makes it all about him, and full blown turns the election into a referendum for and against any Republican who won't come out and full throat endorse his criminality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Honestly at this point im ok with a spectacular Trump departs like a thief in the night and hides from persecution.. His “they raided me” and “opened my safe” must be some code to somebody out there right? tin foil hats on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 He has a secret hideaway golf bunker that has a secret bunker under the golf course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 55 minutes ago, Jason said: I don't think they can do anything to you if you don't have a clearance since you never signed anything obligating you to protect the information. I remember when Wikileaks first got big with the Manning dump, the only leverage they had on people without clearances to not read it was that if you applied for a federal job or clearance and the feds found out, you'd get rejected/fired. Even if you had a clearance and now don't, I don't think they can really do anything to you unless it's stuff you had access to while you did. I don't recall the law Trump signed in 2018 making any changes to this either. It's been a while since I had to study this stuff, but she would be barred from every getting a security clearance or working for a federal agency. It would likely also come up on any background checks were she to look for a job with a federal contractor. Aside from that, the only criminality here would be on Trump's end...maybe. Sharing classified information with someone you know isn't cleared has always been the crime. Simple mishandling has always just been a slap on the wrist and stripped of clearance for individuals and probation for corporations until Trump's change to the jar in 2018. That said, even that law states without authorization. Trump can and likely will claim he can authorize anyone on a temporary basis and he certainly didn't need permission, himself, to move stuff around. The biggest issue is the chain of custody is broken, so we don't know who Trump shared any of this stuff with once it was out of feed hands. I would imagine that Trump's family could and probably should have their clearances permanently revoked, but that would appear as too political. I would just let things fall out with Trump first before rightly going after his kids or anyone else that might have looked those documents over while they were in Mar-A-Lago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 There’s no way Trump will post the warrant. It’ll be the same bs as his taxes, oh he would love to post it but it’s tangled up in blah blah blah and his demented followers will lap it up. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 2017. Who had Chekhov’s Rosenberg treason on their bingo card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: There’s no way Trump will post the warrant. It’ll be the same bs as his taxes, oh he would love to post it but it’s tangled up in blah blah blah and his demented followers will lap it up. Politically I think he has to. If he does, and all the warrant reveals is relatively tame stuff, it’s step #1 to turning this to his advantage. Mueller 2.0 won’t cut it. Nuclear secrets-related shit would, though. It would be a big deal if we learn he knowingly ignored a subpoena before the ‘raid’, too. And If he tries to get around it, it’ll be a big setback in claiming the mantle of victimhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 If I was being more conspiracy minded I would assume he genuinely isn’t going to object or even fight it behind the scenes. Let the raid happen, stir a bunch of shit from behind the scenes about nuclear secrets, let the news go wild with speculation, then reveal it was confidential information your average American doesn’t know or care about, then play the martyr and scream some more about the fake news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: If I was being more conspiracy minded I would assume he genuinely isn’t going to object or even fight it behind the scenes. Let the raid happen, stir a bunch of shit from behind the scenes about nuclear secrets, let the news go wild with speculation, then reveal it was confidential information your average American doesn’t know or care about, then play the martyr and scream some more about the fake news. I just don't think the FBI would have handled it like this if it wasn't something that concerned national security. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Man, imagine if this was a government contractor, they would have evaporated their house in a "no-Knock", but sure, just think of what they could do if they did it to him, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Trump probably thinking TREASON! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Air_Delivery said: I just don't think the FBI would have handled it like this if it wasn't something that concerned national security. I don’t disagree. My point is every mouth breather and their mother understands the concept of nuclear secrets, they don’t understand the rest of it. You could convince them easily that keeping nuclear secrets is wrong even if you’re not actively pedaling them because who knows who could get into his safe at a country club. That’s an easy pill to swallow even for a chud. Some far less known but equally important information though? That’ll go right over their heads. Convince them it’s the worst possible thing, then it turns about to be some hard to understand technical stuff, and it’s easy to play the martyr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 Lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 The Onion has many layers, a psychic is in one of them: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Gonna be wild when Biden pardons him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 Just now, Kal-El814 said: Gonna be wild when Biden pardons him I really don’t think Biden would do that. I hope I’m not wrong but he doesn’t really give the sort of impression that he would do so. It would literally be “end of the republic, remember this date it will be on your late American history exam” bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Was just talking to my buddy yesterday about this and how White Supremacy has been allowed to exist in this country because of non-racist whites complicity and fear. This sentiment expressed in this op-ed is not new. It's AT least as old as the post Civil War America. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaladinSolo Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Not sure "if they found nuclear secrets in my possession it was planted!" is a winning argument here. Also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 I'm sure the FBI was wearing body cams too. Or at least I hope they were. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 This is the best they have lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 i have nuclear secrets on my phone? can i sell them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Firewithin said: i have nuclear secrets on my phone? can i sell them? NSA analyst having a field day with this comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 lmao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: lmao Lets just ignore the fact that our National Security was potentially put at risk… this “snitch” who is trying to safeguard our national security is committing a violation of trust.. How can one expect to conduct criminal activity when you cant trust anyone? On a side note I ask again, when does the Scorsese version of this get made? He loves doing crime sagas.. can you imagine the brilliance required to portray Trump, you gotta portray his utter decadence and stupidity without making it appear as if youre spoofing him… dont go full Dotard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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