Chris- Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 So how long until he gets a job on OANN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 It never ends. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 So now that it’s 2021 is he president yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, stepee said: So now that it’s 2021 is he president yet? 19 long days left I hope one of the things they do is formalize the transition process, although what we learned is if no one enforces any rules no rulings matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, stepee said: So now that it’s 2021 is he president yet? 1 1 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Uh, cool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I thought the point of shell companies is that people don't know they're shell companies, I don't see what banning them does. Money laundering is already illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 26 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: I thought the point of shell companies is that people don't know they're shell companies, I don't see what banning them does. Money laundering is already illegal. The point of shell companies is you don't know who owns them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Exactly my point. The whole point is that they're anonymous. Money laundering is already illegal, which is what they're used for, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Yes, but this is essentially like outlawing fake IDs. Yes, anything you were going to use a fake ID for was probably illegal in the first place, you’re still doing something specifically to make illegal activity easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I'd say the counterpoint to that is that, while fake ID's are technically illegal, there's no real punishment for using them, they just get confiscated. Just like shell companies. They'll just get another one. Unless there's real teeth behind the laws that are actually being broken through the use of fake ID's (which, for us normal folks, there is), it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: I'd say the counterpoint to that is that, while fake ID's are technically illegal, there's no real punishment for using them, they just get confiscated. Just like shell companies. They'll just get another one. Unless there's real teeth behind the laws that are actually being broken through the use of fake ID's (which, for us normal folks, there is), it doesn't matter. I don’t know what it’s like where you are, but in NJ possessing a fake ID is a criminal offense with possible jail time. Also to some extent, if we’re dealing with corporations, you NEED the state government to recognize it and sign off on it whereas a fake ID is purely counterfeit. If no state will recognize your anonymous corporation anymore, making a shell company is magnitudes more difficult unless you also want to forge tons of official documents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I'd also add this is the reason Trump vetoed that bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Ricofoley said: Uh, cool? Is this similar to offshore tax havens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just give them yet another commission that will tell us that 3 people in the election, in total, did voter fraud and they all voted for Trump, so we can all move on 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 It wouldn't surprise me at all if the majority of Republicans end of signing on to this now that they're framing this as "just trying to get the facts" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I’m convinced there is voter fraud. For Republicans to act this way tells me they committed so much voter fraud they are shocked the Democrats won. They’re assuming the only way Democrats could defeat all of the Republican’s voter fraud is with more Democrat voter fraud. Guaranteed that any “investigation” Republicans will want to do with have such a granular scope, and they’ll push back HARD on expanding it to any areas Trump and other Republicans did well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I kinda doubt there's more than a minuscule amount of outright fraud being committed. I do think that the intentional slowdown of the post office--that was very obviously concentrated in metro areas in swing states--led to a non-trivial amount of ballots not being counted, and any discussion of that at all has just utterly vanished since election day. That's the real power of the Steve Bannon "flood the zone with shit" media strategy. Even though Trump ultimately is not going to be re-installed as president on the 20th, there's no room to discuss any of the actual problems with the election because we've spent the past month and a half talking about Dominion being run by Hugo Chavez or whatever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Voter fraud is code for "black people voting" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 37 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Voter fraud is code for "black people voting" or anyone poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chollowa Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Firewithin said: or anyone poor Or just voting in a State where rules were changed by the Governor, but only if that State also voted for Biden. This is the Republicans doing everything they can to hold onto the new GOP voters that are really just assholes that normally wouldn't vote, that were inspired to vote because they see alot of themselves in Donald Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Trump 'diehards' threatening to 'kill all the D.C. traitors' on day of the president's rally: report - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism WWW.RAWSTORY.COM Buried deep in a report claiming Donald Trump has no intention of walking away meekly after Congress certifies the 2020 presidential election on January 6th, the Daily Beast reports that "diehard' fans of the president are openly threatening violence the day they descend upon Washington D.C. for a ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Pence ‘Welcomes’ GOP Plan to Reject Electoral College Vote Count Next Week WWW.THEDAILYBEAST.COM Earlier this week, the vice president asked a federal judge to reject a bid to force him to interfere in the count of electoral votes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Jason said: Pence ‘Welcomes’ GOP Plan to Reject Electoral College Vote Count Next Week WWW.THEDAILYBEAST.COM Earlier this week, the vice president asked a federal judge to reject a bid to force him to interfere in the count of electoral votes. This is just his way of trying to appease the Trumpers while not actually having to do anything himself. It's sad Pence still holds the delusion of parlaying this into a presidential run for himself. He is the perfect mix of not Trumpy enough for Trump fans, while also having too much Trump stink on him for everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marioandsonic Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Then the Democrats become nothing more than a puppet second party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: Then the Democrats become nothing more than a puppet second party Become? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: That would be pretty exciting to see it happen ngl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I'd say that is probably where we are headed. Rejecting any election your opponent wins as illegitimate by definition is just the next step for a minoritarian party that refuses to change and so they must retain power by perverting the rules. I would say it is the last step, but it would be optimistic to think that is as far as they will go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 A scenario fit for a political thriller: Trump or his supporters neutralize a dozen Democratic House members between the 3rd and the 20th in order to gain a majority in the House. If the Republicans control the House, they have the Speakership, and 2nd in line for the Presidency. Since Trump cannot change the date/time of inauguration, and his and Pence's term ends at noon on the 20th, the line of succession kicks in and the Speaker becomes the acting President. Once enough Democrats are "offed" in the House, Trump resigns and is voted in as Speaker of the House (you don't even need to be a member of Congress for this position). Since the Presidency and Vice Presidency become vacant at noon, Trump automatically becomes President again. This is of course an insane proposition, but I wouldn't put it past Trump thinking about this scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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