Joe Biden beats Donald Trump, officially making Trump a one-term twice impeached, twice popular-vote losing president

[osxmatt]

19 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

Doesn’t PR already have Senators? They just don’t have voting privileges. If they became a state I would assume there existing Senators would just get all rights and privileges and they would continue their term. 

 

I would have to do a Google search to confirm, but I believe PR has a non voting representative in the House.

[Ghost_MH]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

wat

 

@Spawn_of_Apathy Not quite. They have a single, nonvoting member in the House. There are "state" senators like any other real state, but they just vote on island-wide issues. The current seat is held by a Republican.

[Chairslinger]

Just now, osxmatt said:

 

I would have to do a Google search to confirm, but I believe PR has a non voting representative in the House.

 

 

Yeah, I think that is where the confusion is coming from.

 

They have a Rep, not Senators. And that Rep can't even vote.

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

2 minutes ago, Chairslinger said:

 

 

Yeah, I think that is where the confusion is coming from.

 

They have a Rep, not Senators. And that Rep can't even vote.

yeah that sounds right. I knew they could t vote, but 8 couldn’t remember if it was house or senate. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

38 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

Doesn’t PR already have Senators? They just don’t have voting privileges. If they became a state I would assume there existing Senators would just get all rights and privileges and they would continue their term. 

 

Puerto Rico does not have senators within the Federal government.

 

I think you are confusing it with its own territorial senate.

 

 

[SuperSpreader]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJvt8s1E/

 

[Jason]

 

[Uaarkson]

Moving to America makes you retarded

[Greatoneshere]

19 minutes ago, Uaarkson said:

Moving to America makes you retarded

 

It's like they forgot which groups they are a part of. Did she forget she's a minority whose fellow people are being separated from children like her very own in a war crime separation border policy? And that the wall was never really built? 

 

It's endlessly frustrating. Seeing her child there smiling is even worse - when she grows up, if she isn't fucked up she'll hate this picture for life.

[BloodyHell]

11 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

It's like they forgot which groups they are a part of. Did she forget she's a minority whose fellow people are being separated from children like her very own in a war crime separation border policy? And that the wall was never really built? 

 

It's endlessly frustrating. Seeing her child there smiling is even worse - when she grows up, if she isn't fucked up she'll hate this picture for life.

Yes, but they should follow the rules, or something.

 

Belief doesn't require logic. Haven't we established that by now?

[Greatoneshere]

1 minute ago, BloodyHell said:

Yes, but they should follow the rules, or something.

 

Belief doesn't require logic. Haven't we established that by now?

 

As a son of Pakistani immigrants who has a decent number of immigrant friends my age as a result, it's so very true. They don't even understand the issue. Their resentment over their own difficult process to get a greencard or citizenship the "slow, right way" makes them hate anyone who does it faster, or through loophole means. I have one dumb Pakistani immigrant friend who actually liked Trump closing the "loophole" on marrying and giving birth in the country or some such. He truly believed immigrants don't show up for their court dates and that coyotes were just playing red light, green light at the border.

 

I explained to him, and showed him DOJ data, that most immigrants do in fact show up to their court hearings, and that immigrants are showing up at legal political asylum checkpoints requesting political asylum, not running like a lunatic over the border. And that they are requesting political asylum often because their lives where they are coming from are threatened by gang or governmental violence or death. This friend of a friend just looked annoyed and frustrated, but he shut up.

 

I do not get this immigrant resentment thing. My own wife even has it a little bit until I explained things to her thoroughly. You'd think they'd be more empathetic? I don't get irritated when others are able to do something easier or quicker than I did if I know they are suffering/need it more. 

[Joe]

Dude this is crazy!

 

 

[Guest]

I have a lot of black family members and Mexican in-laws who are all in on Trump and I’m always like “you get his policies are against you, right?” and they all think the policies are against the bad sorts of minorities, of which they aren’t.

 

me:

 

[SuperSpreader]

23 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

I have a lot of black family members and Mexican in-laws who are all in on Trump and I’m always like “you get his policies are against you, right?” and they all think the policies are against the bad sorts of minorities, of which they aren’t.

 

me:

 

Yup. They'll get "them" first but you're next you stupid tool. 

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
 

 

we learn nothing from history. 

[5timechamp]

1 hour ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

It's like they forgot which groups they are a part of. Did she forget she's a minority whose fellow people are being separated from children like her very own in a war crime separation border policy? And that the wall was never really built? 

 

It's endlessly frustrating. Seeing her child there smiling is even worse - when she grows up, if she isn't fucked up she'll hate this picture for life.

 

Seeing that crap is soooo frustrating... those who thumb their nose at fellow “immigrants”... immigrate is what they do but for many 70s, 80, early 90s Central Americans the applicable term would be “refugee”..

I myself would not be in this country if policies and actions the US took during those years didnt destabilize the region.... It is that slight difference that has always created friction between Mexicans and folks from Central America....

[marioandsonic]

1 hour ago, sblfilms said:

I have a lot of black family members and Mexican in-laws who are all in on Trump and I’m always like “you get his policies are against you, right?” and they all think the policies are against the bad sorts of minorities, of which they aren’t.

 

me:

 

 

Leopards.

 

Faces.

[Signifyin(g)Monkey]

I could actually understand someone being against mass immigration on purely economic, pro-labor grounds.  You could argue there's some evidence that it depresses wages, and thus hurts labor (but helps capital by lowering its labor costs).  It's not a settled question, so it's a legitimate debate, and there are legitimate arguments to be made.

 

But I can count on one hand the number of people I've met who are actually against it solely on these grounds, and not just using economic arguments to rationalize or justify the harboring of some kind of ethnocultural animosity.

 

That's Trump in a nutshell.  The economic argument for clamping down on illegal immigration to help blue-collar workers has always been a mere justification for him to normalize his racist and xenophobic rhetoric.  Which others have used as a basis to normalize their own.  It's almost like he's their nationalist excuse to not have to worry about openly expressing racial and ethnic resentment, something which had come to be more stringently stigmatized--on both the conventional right and conventional left--via the inter-nationalism of the US's post-Cold War era globalization.  Another reason why, I think, the alt-right's avatar of evil is 'globalism'.  The alt-righties want to be able to say, "I'm not racist, I'm just anti-globalist", hoping no one notices how racial and ethnic tolerance and anti-racist discourse gets coded as 'globalist'.

[Zaku3]

1 minute ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said:

I could actually understand someone being against mass immigration on purely economic, pro-labor grounds.  You could argue there's some evidence that it depresses wages, and thus hurts labor (but helps capital by lowering its labor costs).  It's not a settled question, so it's a legitimate debate, and there are legitimate arguments to be made.

 

But I can count on one hand the number of people I've met who are actually against it solely on these grounds, and not just using economic arguments to rationalize or justify the harboring of some kind of ethnocultural animosity.

 

That's Trump in a nutshell.  The economic argument for clamping down on illegal immigration to help blue-collar workers has always been a mere justification for him to normalize his racist and xenophobic rhetoric.  Which others have used as a basis to normalize their own.  It's almost like he's their nationalist excuse to not have to worry about openly expressing racial and ethnic resentment, something which had come to be more stringently stigmatized--on both the conventional right and conventional left--via the inter-nationalism of the US's post-Cold War era globalization.  Another reason why, I think, the alt-right's avatar of evil is 'globalism'.  The alt-righties want to be able to say, "I'm not racist, I'm just anti-globalist", hoping no one notices how racial and ethnic tolerance and anti-racist discourse gets coded as 'globalist'.

 

Globalist is probably just code for the jews.

[Ghost_MH]

5 minutes ago, Zaku3 said:

Globalist is probably just code for the jews.

 

Yes.

 

The Origins of the 'Globalist' Slur - The Atlantic

WWW.THEATLANTIC.COM

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President Trump recently used the epithet to describe his outgoing National Economic Council director—but the seeds of its disparaging use were firmly planted 75 years ago.

 

[SilentWorld]

2 hours ago, Joe said:

Dude this is crazy!

 

 

 

the convulsions of a dying empire

[cusideabelincoln]

2 hours ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
 

 

we learn nothing from history. 

 

White MAGAssholes are co-opting this.

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

2 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said:

 

White MAGAssholes are co-opting this.

I’m sure they are. They have always made themselves out to be the victims. They so badly want to be oppressed, so they can show everyone that they’re the most oppressed. 
 

mans they’ll kill every black, Mexican, Jew, gay, and Democrat who can’t see how oppressed they are. Laws be damned. 

[SuperSpreader]

Noooo not my Barbara!! 

[Joe]

29 minutes ago, SilentWorld said:

 

the convulsions of a dying empire

huh?

[SuperSpreader]

5 minutes ago, Joe said:

huh?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

21 minutes ago, Joe said:

huh?

That's not even an example of the dying empire! Let alone a good one!

 

It's more a sign of the corrupt dealings of washington insiders in the service of capital. Do some time in public service then start cashing checks for whomever. Rinse and repeat on both sides.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Joe said:

huh?

Silent is some sort of CCP fetishist excited about the idea of US in decline with China on the rise. It is kinda cute  

[SilentWorld]

1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

That's not even an example of the dying empire! Let alone a good one!

 

It's more a sign of the corrupt dealings of washington insiders in the service of capital. Do some time in public service then start cashing checks for whomever. Rinse and repeat on both sides.

biden would happily accept her donation if she was cashing cheques for raytheon tho... 

[Air_Delivery]

3 hours ago, Zaku3 said:

 

Globalist is probably just code for the jews.

(((Globalist)))

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

31 minutes ago, SilentWorld said:

biden would happily accept her donation if she was cashing cheques for raytheon tho... 

No shit

 

That's not a decaying/crumbling empire story tho

[SilentWorld]

9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

No shit

 

That's not a decaying/crumbling empire story tho

okay I guess you’re right

[SaysWho?]

 

Inside Joe Biden’s plan to avoid a midterm ‘shellacking’ - POLITICO

WWW.POLITICO.COM

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Presidents traditionally get pummeled in the off years. Especially those in their first term. But Team Biden has a plan. And some Dems are cautiously optimistic.

 

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In preparation for the 2022 midterms, the president-elect is fusing his political operation with the Democratic National Committee. He is also considering sending a top communications staffer — among those discussed are top campaign spokespeople Andrew Bates and T.J. Ducklo — to the DNC for the next several months as an embed before that person heads to the White House themselves. The idea is to help ensure the DNC is integral to the Biden operation, a source close to the campaign said in an interview.

 

Biden is also empowering his former campaign manager, Jen O’Malley Dillon, with his political portfolio in and out of the White House. Dillon, herself a former top national party staffer, is steering DNC meetings in the run-up to the election of a new chair and officers later this month.

 

She’s brought in an ally, Emmy Ruiz, to become Biden’s White House political director. Longtime Biden confidant and incoming senior adviser Steve Ricchetti will also advise Biden on politics.

 

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Biden is also committed to pumping resources into state Democratic parties that atrophied during the Obama years, according to a Biden official, cognizant of the shortcomings of the last Democratic president’s approach. Rather than build out his own infrastructure, like Obama did, his team is in conversations with battleground state directors about the upcoming midterms and preparing to bulk up outreach to rural voters, with early conversations about having Agriculture secretary nominee Tom Vilsack serve as a possible surrogate.

 

The strategizing comes as the Democratic Party navigates a new, unsettled landscape, with lingering questions about whether Biden intends to run for a second term. The stakes are high for the party, which must figure out how to keep a congressional majority in both houses and also contend with reapportionment in two years.

 

No modern president has had a successful first midterm absent George W. Bush in the wake of 9/11. After Obama’s “shellacking,” Trump was pummeled during the 2018 elections.

 

[SaysWho?]

Also from the article:

 

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“It’s worth underscoring, typically when a presidential campaign rolls in, they sweep the dishes off the table before setting up the new places,” said Wikler. “With the Biden campaign, they deeply integrated with infrastructure that state parties have been building for years.”

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

if they get this done, that's incredibly impressive. Let's fucking do it!