Boebert has the manners of a baboon

[Kal-El814]

11 minutes ago, EternallDarkness said:

Is this any different than Clinton in the oral office  

 

Uh... yes? Very much so? This took place in a venue where other people were present? This is an absolutely bananas comparison to make!

[thewhyteboar]

5 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

Uh... yes? Very much so? This took place in a venue where other people were present? This is an absolutely bananas comparison to make!

I'm stunned by how bad the comparison is. It's not apples to oranges, cause at least those are both fruit. It's like comparing oranges to the board game Parcheesi.

 

And Clinton was impeached and Hill resigned. So you agree Boebert should resign?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

The other example is a Virginia state delegate candidate, not even state senate, and not even an elected official yet. My god if we start to consider what Republican state house candidates are up as evidence of some larger thing oh lord it’s gonna get real gross real quick

[EternallDarkness]

1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

It's different in that it occurred in a public setting where children are present.

 

It's not the "morality" of the act that's the problem - it's the location of the act.

 

oh I am not saying it isn't disgusting. The dude on the airplane with the porn had kids around not to mention we have Biden touching and sniffing little kids inappropriately in plain site. It's all sick. 

 

 

 

As for if I have a problem with calls for her to step down. Nope. But then honestly I think 90-95% of the people in Washington should be asked to step down if not just be thrown in jail. The twisted corruption in Washington is insane. Things that you or I would be jailed for don't even get a passing glance there. How are these civil servants who make 174 grand a year having 4 or 5 homes and networths in the 10s of millions? none of them take their oaths of office seriously. The only people the majority of them are looking out for are themselves. Pelosi announces she staying because we need to spread San Fran values? What the hell does that mean. So we've gone from Herbert Hoover's a chicken in every pot to what? A crackhead and a pile of crap on every street? And while I am ranting are we ever going to see the names of Epstein's visitor logs? Of course not.  

[Air_Delivery]

1 hour ago, EternallDarkness said:

A politician acting in a deviant way? The hell you say! Is this any different than Clinton in the oral office  John Conyers looking at playboy on a public flight, Katie Hill having the threeway with one of her subordinates, or that Penn. woman who did the livestreaming of her and her husband screwing and asked people to tip her campaign? If anyone is expecting moral behavior from these people or thinks any of them should be viewed as role models they are sadly mistaken. Remember it's called a swamp for a reason, and these are the various and sadly numerous swamp monsters.  

Yeah except one is the party of family values trying to cram their religious morals down everyones throats. 

[EternallDarkness]

Just now, Air_Delivery said:

Yeah except one is the party of family values trying to cram their religious morals down everyones throats. 

 

please, both parties claim they are looking out for families in their own ways and both are full of crap.  One says 'family values' while acting as Bobert did. The other says looking out for the children while parents are getting thrown out of town council/school board meetings for reading offense passages from the books the schools are saying is some how appropriate for 3rd graders. 

[Jason]

BoTh SiDeS

[Air_Delivery]

5 minutes ago, EternallDarkness said:

 

please, both parties claim they are looking out for families in their own ways and both are full of crap.  One says 'family values' while acting as Bobert did. The other says looking out for the children while parents are getting thrown out of town council/school board meetings for reading offense passages from the books the schools are saying is some how appropriate for 3rd graders. 

Democrats help families by enacting policies like free food in school and paid/subsidized community college. Conservatives verision of family values is to demonize, marginalize and enact laws against anyone who they consider deviant. 

[EternallDarkness]

Just now, Air_Delivery said:

Democrats help families by enacting policies like free food in school and paid/subsidized community college. Conservatives verision of family values is to marginalize and enact laws against anyone who they consider deviant. 

 

neither party is doing any good for the people they claim to represent.

[CastlevaniaNut18]

[stepee]

lol

[Keyser_Soze]

ED is just channeling his inner Glenn Beck.

[SaysWho?]

2 minutes ago, EternallDarkness said:

 

neither party is doing any good for the people they claim to represent.

 

This is an easy position to take for people since is doesn't actually have to be proved and is more a platitude, but let's actually delve into it.

 

Why isn't the current American manufacturing boom good for workers? Why isn't requesting marijuana be rescheduled to allow for more research and help businesses good for people? Why aren't more tax credits for green technology good for our environment? Why isn't electrifying the USPS fleet and modernizing it good for postal workers? Why isn't America making more computer chips, electric vehicles and solar panels good for American industry, workers, and consumers? Why isn't capping insulin prices for Medicare recipients good for the elderly? Why isn't protecting same-sex marriage good for gay Americans? Why isn't expanding health care for those who were affected by burn pits good for the American veteran? Why were people who were able to get child care after the pandemic not actually helped? Why do workers who WANT to unionize and now can more easily unionize wrong, and why is allowing businesses to more easily fire people and giving less leverage to workers somehow actually good for workers?

[stepee]

I thought the leap from Boebert to Epstein was good 

[Fizzzzle]

I actually had to look for the video that showed the hanky-panky. That's why I was confused at first, because the video I saw didn't show that, it was just the vaping and her being loud. I had to load 5 or 6 different articles about the incident before one showed the gropage, and even then it wasn't in the headline.

[EternallDarkness]

1 minute ago, SaysWho? said:

 

This is an easy position to take for people since is doesn't actually have to be proved and is more a platitude, but let's actually delve into it.

 

Why isn't the current American manufacturing boom good for workers? Why isn't requesting marijuana be rescheduled to allow for more research and help businesses good for people? Why aren't more tax credits for green technology good for our environment? Why isn't electrifying the USPS fleet and modernizing it good for postal workers? Why isn't America making more computer chips, electric vehicles and solar panels good for American industry, workers, and consumers? Why isn't capping insulin prices for Medicare recipients good for the elderly? Why isn't protecting same-sex marriage good for gay Americans? Why isn't expanding health care for those who were affected by burn pits good for the American veteran? Why were people who were able to get child care after the pandemic not actually helped? Why do workers who WANT to unionize and now can more easily unionize wrong, and why is allowing businesses to more easily fire people and giving less leverage to workers somehow actually good for workers?

 

 

not even going to attempt to answer all those (especially since I never wanted to get into a discussion about politics in the first place, I just wanted to vent about both parties sucking  ) but the 'green' push is utter bullshit. More damage is done to the environment in the name of saving it. All those child forced into slavery in the mines in Africa really appreciate it. Tax credits for green vehicles...which only benefits the rich since they are the only ones who can afford the damn cars? Not to mention the damn infastructure isn't there for the all those green vehicles as that idiot Granholm clearly showed when her people blocked charging station for her photo op trip.

 

but I'm out of this thread, I always feel the need to vent once in a while but focusing on this for any length of time is not good for my blood pressure  

[SaysWho?]

1 minute ago, EternallDarkness said:

 

 

not even going to attempt to answer all those (especially since I never wanted to get into a discussion about politics in the first place, I just wanted to vent about both parties sucking  ) but the 'green' push is utter bullshit. More damage is done to the environment in the name of saving it. All those child forced into slavery in the mines in Africa really appreciate it.

 

Building stuff in America has nothing to do with Africa, and it does not do more damage to the environment.

[EternallDarkness]

4 minutes ago, stepee said:

I thought the leap from Boebert to Epstein was good 

 

 what can I say, when I start thinking about all the screwed up shit that happens in Washington I can't help but think of how many politicians and big time celebs likely took trip to pedo island. 

[Air_Delivery]

15 minutes ago, EternallDarkness said:

 

neither party is doing any good for the people they claim to represent.

There are plenty of bills democrats have either passed or proposed to help families. Like paid maternity leave, the ACA, proposed single payer health care, subsized daycare, increased minimum wage ETC. Meanwhile conservatives have the "war on woke".

 

JACKING OFF SOME DUDE IN PUBLIC IS THE KIND OF SEXUAL DEVIANT BEHAVIOR CONSERVATIVES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AGAINST THE FUCKING HYPOCRITES. The idea that you are trying to both sides this is fucking laughable. 

[EternallDarkness]

1 minute ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Building stuff in America has nothing to do with Africa, and it does not do more damage to the environment.

 

the green movement most definitely have to do with Africa, ask the kids in the congo who have to get the minerals for the damn batteries. And yes there is considerable environmental impact from the making of those cars. I don't have the time or desire to go looking for the articles detailing the environment impact of building those cars.

 

Should we make more stuff in the US. Hell yes I am all for that. If the pandemic wasn't a wake up call on that issue for everyone then they likely had (and probably still do) have their head up their asses.  

[SaysWho?]

5 minutes ago, EternallDarkness said:

 

the green movement most definitely have to do with Africa, ask the kids in the congo who have to get the minerals for the damn batteries.

Those minerals are critical for magnet production, a mine-to-manufacture chain that he hopes will happen, locavore-style, entirely within Idaho. With scientists and engineers nearby at the U.S. Department of Energy Idaho National Laboratory in Idaho Falls, he envisions public-private partnerships that drive America’s future. It’s an ambitious vision, given that even his company’s gold ore heads overseas for refining.

 

Manganese is a stabilizer in today’s car batteries, reducing combustibility while increasing vehicle range. It makes up 17% of lithium-ion batteries, but it could account for much more in new formulas that eliminate more socially and environmentally problematic cobalt from Africa, South32’s local project president, Pat Risner said.

 

So this makes stuff in America and doesn't hurt Congo kids. Now what do you have against it? This isn't getting into the fact that you're wrong about electric cars being worse for the environment; they're factually not. Period.

[CastlevaniaNut18]

That reminds me, I need to read Cobalt Red that I picked up last month.

[Spork3245]

Wow.

[TUFKAK]

Yeah! America landed on the moon but charging stations, that’s just too hard gosh.

[Joe]

https://x.com/natesilver538/status/1703732030872170531?s=46
 

I apologize for ever having defended this fucking moron.

[Spork3245]

8 minutes ago, Joe said:

I apologize for ever having defended this fucking moron.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

7 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

That reminds me, I need to read Cobalt Red that I picked up last month.

 

This is what the author suggests as a "first step" in addressing the human cost:

 

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What is the solution to this injustice?

 

Conceptually, it is simple -- artisanal miners in the Congo should be treated with the same rights and dignity as any other employee working at the headquarters of tech and EV companies. Just because the Congolese people are separated by a few thousand miles and a few layers in the supply chain from corporate HQ does not mean their humanity is worth any less -- particularly during a pandemic when they are excavating the cobalt that facilitates our lives.

 

Equal rights and dignity mean, at a minimum, formalizing their employment with contracts, decent wages, protective equipment, fixed working hours, medical support, programs for child education, safe avenues of redress, and absolutely no hazardous tunnel digging. Third-party, independent mechanisms of auditing these standards must also be created.

 

Implementing a system akin to GoodWeave's model of supply-chain certification in the apparel and textile sectors of South Asia would be a good start. The system would involve independent teams of inspectors that conduct unannounced audits of working conditions at mining sites to ensure that a code of labor standards is being maintained.

 

These standards should also include a minimal level of investment by cobalt stakeholders in local communities in the DRC. Such investments could help expand electrification and sanitation, strengthen public health infrastructure, and above all -- ensure that children are able to remain in school.

 

 

However, best of luck getting the Chinese firms that own/opeate the mining sites at the bottom of the supply chain and the EV manufacturers (especially Muskrat's firm) at the top of the supply chain to agree to measures that will inevitably incur higher operating costs.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

24 minutes ago, Joe said:

https://x.com/natesilver538/status/1703732030872170531?s=46
 

I apologize for ever having defended this fucking moron.

I accept your apology

[TUFKAK]

2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

This is what the author suggests as a "first step" in addressing the human cost:

 

 

The descendants of empire and colonialism will not sacrifice their comfort and position for Africans, nice words but no way will it be implemented in several lifetimes.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

To address the environmental impact of EV production and operation, the overall impact is a net positive that's accompanied by caveats.

 

Are electric vehicles definitely better for the climate than gas-powered cars? | MIT Climate Portal

CLIMATE.MIT.EDU

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Yes: although electric cars' batteries make them more carbon-intensive to manufacture than gas cars, they more than make up for it by driving much cleaner under nearly any conditions.

 

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One source of EV emissions is the creation of their large lithium-ion batteries. The use of minerals including lithium, cobalt, and nickel, which are crucial for modern EV batteries, requires using fossil fuels to mine those materials and heat them to high temperatures. As a result, building the 80 kWh lithium-ion battery found in a Tesla Model 3 creates between 2.5 and 16 metric tons of CO2 (exactly how much depends greatly on what energy source is used to do the heating).1 This intensive battery manufacturing means that building a new EV can produce around 80% more emissions than building a comparable gas-powered car.2

 

But just like with gasoline cars, most emissions from today’s EVs come after they roll off the production floor.3 The major source of EV emissions is the energy used to charge their batteries. These emissions, says Paltsev, vary enormously based on where the car is driven and what kind of energy is used there. The best case scenario looks like what’s happening today in Norway, Europe’s largest EV market: the nation draws most of its energy from hydropower, giving all those EVs a minuscule carbon footprint. In countries that get most of their energy from burning dirty coal, the emissions numbers for EVs don’t look nearly as good—but they’re still on par with or better than burning gasoline.

 

 

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To illustrate how EVs create fewer emissions than their counterparts, Paltsev points to MIT’s Insights Into Future Mobility study from 2019.4 This study looked at comparable vehicles like the Toyota Camry and Honda Clarity across their gasoline, hybrid, plug-in hybrid, battery electric, and hydrogen fuel cell configurations. The researchers found that, on average, gasoline cars emit more than 350 grams of CO2 per mile driven over their lifetimes. The hybrid and plug-in hybrid versions, meanwhile, scored at around 260 grams per mile of carbon dioxide, while the fully battery-electric vehicle created just 200 grams. Stats from the U.S. Department of Energy tell a similar story: Using the nationwide average of different energy sources, DOE found that EVs create 3,932 lbs. of CO2 equivalent per year, compared to 5,772 lbs. for plug-in hybrids, 6,258 lbs. for typical hybrids, and 11,435 lbs. for gasoline vehicles.5

 

MIT’s report shows how much these stats can swing based on a few key factors. For example, when the researchers used the average carbon intensity of America’s power grid, they found that a fully electric vehicle emits about 25 percent less carbon than a comparable hybrid car. But if they ran the numbers assuming the EV would charge up in hydropower-heavy Washington State, they found it would emit 61 percent less carbon than the hybrid. When they did the math for coal-heavy West Virginia, the EV actually created more carbon emissions than the hybrid, but still less than the gasoline car.

 

 

To summarize, the long-term environmental benefits from the greater use of EVs is inexorably tied to the type of energy used to power the electical infrastructure itself.

[CitizenVectron]

5 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

To address the environmental impact of EV production and operation, the overall impact is a net positive that's accompanied by caveats.

 

Are electric vehicles definitely better for the climate than gas-powered cars? | MIT Climate Portal

CLIMATE.MIT.EDU

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Yes: although electric cars' batteries make them more carbon-intensive to manufacture than gas cars, they more than make up for it by driving much cleaner under nearly any conditions.

 

 

 

To summarize, the long-term environmental benefits from the greater use of EVs is inexorably tied to the type of energy used to power the electical infrastructure itself.

 

Basically, EVs are greener over their lifetimes (even just a few years) than gasoline-powered cars anywhere in Canada or the US. Hybrids beat them out in a very few, select places (where there is only coal power). The argument that EVs are worse for the environment than ICE vehicles is a tired one, and is clearly driven by right-wing, anti-EV groups.

[LazyPiranha]

I don’t know how we got from grabbing titties in public to clean mining practices, and I refuse to read this thread to find out.

[Firewithin]

3 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said:

I don’t know how we got from grabbing titties in public to clean mining practices, and I refuse to read this thread to find out.

i had this thought too.  i guess dunking on the trailer trash got boring  

[Subzwari1987]

4 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said:

I don’t know how we got from grabbing titties in public to clean mining practices, and I refuse to read this thread to find out.

Well, at least it didn’t turn into a food discussion. 

[Firewithin]

1 minute ago, Subzwari1987 said:

Well, at least it didn’t turn into a food discussion. 

dont tempt us with a good time