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22 minutes ago, Joestradamus said:

They really should be irrevocably banned for running for any public office once donald loses this election and is convicted for crime(s) that he committed.

 

Not just Donald, but any and all of them should be investigated for crimes.

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15 minutes ago, Chairslinger said:

What makes you think Donald isn't running in 2024? 

 

He'll show up to the debates in a barely closed robe with his hair looking like Roy Munson and still get 42% of the vote :lol:


Absolutely. He’s going to spend the next four years if he loses holding campaign rallies announcing his campaign to run again in 2024.

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11 minutes ago, MarSolo said:


Absolutely. He’s going to spend the next four years if he loses holding campaign rallies announcing his campaign to run again in 2024.

The problem is if he does that he's gonna have to foot the bill or a trump 2024 campaign will have to. Won't be able to bully his way into getting free rally's

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If anything, Donald Trump running in 2024 would split the GOP vote (because it's unlikely he would win the nomination for the party) just like Roosevelt did in 1912 - leading to a Democratic landslide.  The best bet for the GOP would be for the entire Trump family to be in prison and Trumpism dead as a movement by 2024. 

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After Trump loses the GOP is moving on to their smart fascists that know how to sound polite while advocating for their "traditional" populist cultural nationalism. Then they pick up the Trump base as well as those pearl clutching women of the suburbs and plenty of people dissatisfied with Biden's economic recovery that is merely trying to get people back to working 2-3 service jobs with little to no benefits to just barely make it.

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2 minutes ago, run32.dll said:

After Trump loses the GOP is moving on to their smart fascists that know how to sound polite while advocating for their "traditional" populist cultural nationalism. Then they pick up the Trump base as well as those pearl clutching women of the suburbs and plenty of people dissatisfied with Biden's economic recovery that is merely trying to get people back to working 2-3 service jobs with little to no benefits to just barely make it.

Tom Cotton it is 

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The GOP is going to completely ditch the Trump family after they get blown out in less than 2 weeks. They are going to pretend they never had anything to do with him in the first-place and I am terrified that bullshit is probably going to work.

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3 minutes ago, Joe said:

The GOP is going to completely ditch the Trump family after they get blown out in less than 2 weeks. They are going to pretend they never had anything to do with him in the first-place and I am terrified that bullshit is probably going to work.

 

I don't think the Trump damage is quickly reversible.  They made Bush a persona non grata for years, but Bush didn't have people flying Bush flags and jamming up traffic by the thousands or militia groups plotting to kidnap his opponents across the country.

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17 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said:

lol there is no way that Trump stays here if he loses. He’ll seek asylum in another country, probably Russia. He even said recently that leaving the country is his plan if he loses.

 

Which is funny if he thinks he'll be safe in Russia. If he flees to Russia expect him to have an accident of being pushed out a window, or he shoots himself twice in the head.

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9 minutes ago, Anathema- said:

Tom Cotton is the Scott Walker of 2024. Nice, cerebral, softer edge fascism doesn't sell. 


They've gotten smarter. Try watching Tucker Carlson. He's willing to talk about class divisions while Democrats avoid it like the plague. Soon enough they'll be offering nationalized healthcare, job guarantees, and an authoritarian military state that will crush all of our enemies. Co-opting leftist language and marrying it with strongman authoritarianism that promised to purge civilization of the lesser peoples worked for Hitler and Mussolini. Liberals have already shown their commitment to avoid unification with social democrats and socialists even if it makes them more likely to lose. There's no reason for the GOP to not go with the strategy that could lock down the entire country for them to achieve every culture war fantasy for decades.

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28 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said:

lol there is no way that Trump stays here if he loses. He’ll seek asylum in another country, probably Russia. He even said recently that leaving the country is his plan if he loses.

Its funny how you guys seem to believe some reckoning is coming for Trump 🤣

 

and I saw that bit you’re talking about. As much ss I hate the man, he was clearly joking. 

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There is a reckoning coming for Trump, just not a legal one.  With any luck, he loses in two weeks and then that’s it.  Given his slipping popularity and inability to get anything done, especially with getting their three fucking justices, it’s almost certainly not worth it to the GOP to dig in on this particular turd.  Too old, too stupid, too hard to keep a lid on, etc.

 

He’s rebranded by everyone other than the die hard as a loser.  He’ll trudge to January like a sullen teenager, steal whatever isn’t nailed down, and enjoy a small fraction of the limelight that he used to, but it will never be the same.  Fox and Friends won’t entertain his rambling 45 minute diatribes, Hannity and Carlson will have him on occasionally but they’ll quickly move on to propping up people whose political future matters.  
 

His health is in the shitter, he’s been burning the candle at both ends hopefully for naught, and the moment there is no political gain from frequenting his businesses, his profits will probably start sinking too.  He’ll never see the inside of a jail cell, but the remaining short bits of his life will be bitter, resentful, angry, and flailing without the adoring crowds he needs so much.  Honestly this is better than some ridiculous trial where he gets to be on tv and post some go fund me for legal fees.  Let him fade into nothing and hate it.

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1 hour ago, run32.dll said:


They've gotten smarter. Try watching Tucker Carlson. He's willing to talk about class divisions while Democrats avoid it like the plague. Soon enough they'll be offering nationalized healthcare, job guarantees, and an authoritarian military state that will crush all of our enemies. Co-opting leftist language and marrying it with strongman authoritarianism that promised to purge civilization of the lesser peoples worked for Hitler and Mussolini. Liberals have already shown their commitment to avoid unification with social democrats and socialists even if it makes them more likely to lose. There's no reason for the GOP to not go with the strategy that could lock down the entire country for them to achieve every culture war fantasy for decades.

Yeah, no.

 

I used to think this until a few weeks ago and the GOP was tripping over themselves to make sure millions of americans don't get $1200/each (at least) checks weeks before an election. Their base is car dealership owners, not disgruntled laid off factory worker herrenvolk. They may make lip service toward the latter but they're beholden to the former

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35 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Yeah, no.

 

I used to think this until a few weeks ago and the GOP was tripping over themselves to make sure millions of americans don't get $1200/each (at least) checks weeks before an election. Their base is car dealership owners, not disgruntled laid off factory worker herrenvolk. They may make lip service toward the latter but they're beholden to the former


Maybe not 2024 but it will come. When capitalism collapses there aren't too many directions for it to go.

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3 hours ago, Anathema- said:

Right wing capitalist fascists aren't going to pivot to the left. They're kool-aid drinkers at this point, true believers. That's how authoritarianism happens. They're not Machiavellis.


Fascists offering some concessions to the general public to take power isn't a pivot to the left and there's historical precedent for them doing it. However, if I'm wrong and the Democrats strategized against this possibility by shifting to the left and becoming a largely social democrat party it's not like we'd be looking back in regret 50 years from now for raising the quality of life for everyone and having a more stable, less alienated country that doesn't punctuate its monthly mass shootings by reaching a fever pitch of burning down the local police station every 2-3 years. Neoliberalism is not sustainable and something will fill the vacuum of its collapse. Maybe the fascists will try in 2024, maybe they'll wait until 2050. Either way, there's not much compelling reason to prolong needless human suffering to find out if we're calling a bluff.

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I'm with @run32.dll on this one.

 

We should all be very, very afraid of what the post-Trumpian GOP will bring, especially if they finally learn their lesson and stifle the blatant racism.  As I posted in another thread, Trump is doing better with African-American and Latin-American men than in 2016.

 

There's a lesson there for the GOP and a warning signal for the Democrats as large swathes on non-white communities are still VERY much "socially conservative".

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2 minutes ago, Emperor Diocletian II said:

I'm with @run32.dll on this one.

 

We should all be very, very afraid of what the post-Trumpian GOP will bring, especially if they finally learn their lesson and stifle the blatant racism.  As I posted in another thread, Trump is doing better with African-American and Latin-American men than in 2016.

 

There's a lesson there for the GOP and a warning signal for the Democrats.


And on the flip side Bernie showed you can activate Latin American infrequent to never voters to vote in a primary by appealing to their material interests. The liberal culture war is largely not going to win them over.

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