Chairslinger Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Reading through a thread on asktrumpsupporters on Reddit, and there is a few people upset that Trump may choose Amy Coney Barrett because she adopted a black Haitian child, which means she is a race traitor and a supporter of black lives matter. You misspelled Stormfront. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe said: It's a clear tell that many of you seem more interested in criticizing the legacy of one of the most important Americans ever than the shitty system that allows this situation to occur. Also a tell that none of you have ever been positively impacted by RBG's work (ie you're a bunch of dudes). If you think Ginsburg’s only contributions to society were in favor of women, you have discounted her work to an alarming degree. Or maybe you aren’t particular familiar with her work? The reach is well beyond “women’s issues”. The reason she is being criticized at this moment for that decision is because the price of the gamble that she likely lost is unfolding literally right now with the GOP senators beginning to line up hours after her death to fill her seat with a Federalist Society pick. That decision is having an immediate impact on the court and possibly the election itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, sblfilms said: If you think Ginsburg’s only contributions to society were in favor of women, you have discounted her work to an alarming degree. Or maybe you aren’t particular familiar with her work? The reach is well beyond “women’s issues”. The reason she is being criticized at this moment for that decision is because the price of the gamble that she likely lost is unfolding literally right now with the GOP senators beginning to line up hours after her death to fill her seat with a Federalist Society pick. That decision is having an immediate impact on the court and possibly the election itself. Obviously her work is not exclusive to women's rights issues, but that's where much of it was most impactful. I'm not seeing any women on Twitter being evil about her death for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Joe said: Obviously her work is not exclusive to women's rights issues, but that's where much of it was most impactful. I'm not seeing any women on Twitter being evil about her death for a reason. You think this precisely because women and racial/ethnic minorities are only remembered for their contributions to the demographic to which they belong. It’s unfortunate that we approach people this way, but I understand how that perspective is derived. Her work in the courts covered every topic under the sun, she shaped or authored court opinions (and dissents) on cases that touch in every aspect of American life. I would encourage everybody to find a list of her writings as a judge and see for yourself that she was more than just the lady who fought for ladies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 I guess I have a somewhat unique perspective on RBG stepping down. Yes, she should have done it during Obama's time in office. No, it didn't take an act of some great prognostication to know that there was a very good chance if she didn't get out then that a Republican was probably going to fill her seat. She was already well past 80 and the modern political pendulum favors two term presidents that are replaced by a president from the opposing party. However, it's worse than pointless to argue about that now. It's done. Get Biden elected, then we can worry about that argument as it pertains to Breyer. Until then, you're just arguing about whose fault the beaver dam is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, sblfilms said: You think this precisely because women and racial/ethnic minorities are only remembered for their contributions to the demographic to which they belong. It’s unfortunate that we approach people this way, but I understand how that perspective is derived. Her work in the courts covered every topic under the sun, she shaped or authored court opinions (and dissents) on cases that touch in every aspect of American life. I would encourage everybody to find a list of her writings as a judge and see for yourself that she was more than just the lady who fought for ladies. Dude, she literally co-founded the ACLU Woman's Rights Project and argued over 300 gender discrimination cases in her career. It's not a stretch to say she was a champion for women's rights as an attorney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Until then, your just arguing about whose fault the beaver dam is. It's the fault of these guys: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Just now, Emperor Diocletian II said: It's the fault of these guys: Is it though? Or is it the fault of people that hold their work to such high regard when they really didn't know wtf they were doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 The founding fathers were a bunch of pretentious hypocrites. Who honestly expected this country to last more than a few hundred years? I mean shit, we already broke up once and it still holds the record for deadliest conflict in our history. Most countries that survive civil war...well, they usually go on to have more civil wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Emperor Diocletian II said: It's the fault of these guys: I think many of those guys would be shocked to see their work still being religiously adhered to 230 years later 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 minute ago, finaljedi said: I think many of those guys would be shocked to see their work still being religiously adhered to 230 years later Exactly my point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Joe said: Dude, she literally co-founded the ACLU Woman's Rights Project and argued over 300 gender discrimination cases in her career. It's not a stretch to say she was a champion for women's rights as an attorney. Her work as a lawyer is one piece of her life’s work, and it’s less impactful part than her work as a judge. It’s not even arguable. Even on the matter of women’s rights, her SCOTUS work is of a higher magnitude than her time as an attorney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, Emperor Diocletian II said: It's the fault of these guys: Come on, those guys didn't write it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Her work as a lawyer is one piece of her life’s work, and it’s less impactful part than her work as a judge. It’s not even arguable. Even on the matter of women’s rights, her SCOTUS work is of a higher magnitude than her time as an attorney. Yeah. For instance, Pope Francis was an incredibly good person before he was made Pope! But no one is going to remember him for riding the subway in Argentina or his work as a priest before he was elected. He will be remembered for what he did as Pope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Just now, Spork3245 said: Come on, those guys didn't write it Abe taking a knee. Figures he'd be a BLM supporter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: Yeah. For instance, Pope Francis was an incredibly good person before he was made Pope! But no one is going to remember him for riding the subway in Argentina or his work as a priest before he was elected. He will be remembered for what he did as Pope. You had the Thurgood Marshall analogy dangling in front of you and you went with the Pope lmao. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 http://secure.actblue.com//cf/static/actblue/favicon.ico I donated to Get Mitch or Die Trying. SECURE.ACTBLUE.COM Do your part to flip the Senate by donating to the eventual Democratic nominee in 10 seats we need to flip (and one to protect). This splits the money among the Senate races that are listed in this thread as most in need. My wife and I just gave $500. Screenshot-20200919-104056 IBB.CO Image Screenshot-20200919-104056 hosted in ImgBB 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: If Trump is 6'3, Jesus must have been a beast. Must have took a custom cross to keep his feet from touching the ground like an adult in a kiddy pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: If you think Ginsburg’s only contributions to society were in favor of women, you have discounted her work to an alarming degree. Or maybe you aren’t particular familiar with her work? The reach is well beyond “women’s issues”. RBG gave me the right to not be forced into a nursing home. http://en.wikipedia.org//static/favicon/wikipedia.ico Olmstead v. L.C. - Wikipedia EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 Still, stunned Republicans expressed initial skepticism on Friday night that Mr. McConnell would find enough votes to confirm a new justice in the weeks before the election. Quote And some of them thought Mr. McConnell would also be unable to do so in a lame-duck session if Republicans lose the White House and control of the Senate. Two former Senate Republican leadership aides close to Mr. McConnell read the concluding sentence of his statement — “President Trump’s nominee will receive a vote on the floor of the United States Senate” — to mean that he was not committed to pushing through the confirmation before the election and may wait until the lame-duck session. Privately, some party strategists warned that if Democrats won the presidency and the Senate and Republicans seated a new justice before Joseph R. Biden Jr. and the new Senators were sworn in, Democrats would exact retribution by ending the filibuster and moving to pack the Supreme Court. Democrats, for their part, moved swiftly to warn Republicans against a hasty confirmation process — echoing Mr. McConnell’s own comments from 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 This came out in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Still, stunned Republicans expressed initial skepticism on Friday night that Mr. McConnell would find enough votes to confirm a new justice in the weeks before the election. yup the actual best case scenario is they fuck around and confirm somebody and dems grow some actual big hairy balls (yah right) and fuck over gop forever going foward if my some miracle they take all three back and expand anything they can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 55 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Come on, those guys didn't write it The guy who paints these lives in the town north of mine. He had a store in a mall full of copies of his paintings that he sold for outrageous prices. It'd be funny if it weren't so scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: The guy who paints these lives in the town north of mine. He had a store in a mall full of copies of his paintings that he sold for outrageous prices. It'd be funny if it weren't so scary. Isn't that Utah's state motto? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Isn't that Utah's state motto? Hey... Fuck you. But yes. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Great article on why norms must be broken to protect them: Excerpt: Quote What this means, pretty straightforwardly, is that norms don’t just rely on the willingness of the relevant actors to adhere to them. They also rely on the willingness of actors to violate them under the right circumstances. If one side violates, then the other side has to be prepared to punish. If one side threatens a violation, then the other side has to threaten in turn, to make it clear that deviating from the norm will be costly. A norm governing relations between two opposing sides, where one side acts strategically (to exploit opportunities) and the other naively (always to support the norm) can’t be sustained. Quote If norms rest – as surely they must – in part on implied threats of what will happen if the other side stops adhering to them, then the best strategy for preserving norms will often not be to commit to adhere to them unconditionally. Instead, the best strategy to preserve norms may be to make it clear that your adherence to the norms are conditional, that you will retaliate if the other side deviates from the norms, and to actively and vigorously retaliate against the other side if they do deviate, delivering on your threats. That’s the lesson that I think FDR has for normcore, even if it isn’t the lesson that Levitsky and Ziblatt emphasize in their book . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 How about making them actual laws and dispensing with the silly pretense once and for all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Emperor Diocletian II said: How about making them actual laws and dispensing with the silly pretense once and for all? Requires winning elections too often and the establishment Dems are allergic to winning very winnable elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Requires winning elections too often and the establishment Dems are allergic to winning very winnable elections. Or, should they win an election, they appear averse to the actual exercise of power, a malady their enemies most certainly do not suffer from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePi Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 28 minutes ago, Emperor Diocletian II said: How about making them actual laws and dispensing with the silly pretense once and for all? At this point "enforcing the law" is just another norm that is ignored/broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 45 minutes ago, ThreePi said: At this point "enforcing the law" is just another norm that is ignored/broken. You will get no argument from me there! Cease quoting laws to men who wield swords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, Emperor Diocletian II said: You will get no argument from me there! Cease quoting laws to men who wield swords. You gonna tell me bill barr has ever held a weapon lmao ok fuckin gottem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: You gonna tell me bill barr has ever held a weapon lmao ok fuckin gottem A fork could be a weapon, and he is a pro with one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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