~*Official #COVID-19 Thread of Doom*~ Revenge of Omicron Prime

[Jwheel86]

4 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

Sure, a lot of working age folks aren't dying but the loss of productivity due to how contagious the virus is what should be extra worrying for folks. I'm dealing with vendors who aren't sure they'll be able to fulfill orders in a couple of months if things don't clear up in China soon. What would happen if half of your office has to call out sick for a week? Half of your city? That might be extreme, but that's also what's going on in China right now.

 

My office is telling us to be prepared to work from home. 

[Jason]

4 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

Also, you know, potentially up to 14% of old people dying. Let's say that the 50% of the US is infected. That's still 3 to 4 million dead.

 

The GOP's affordable housing plan is to let all of them die.

 

[Jason]

3 hours ago, number305 said:

Yes... the part of this story that does not get reported (because scare mongering sells) is that this virus is killing mostly elderly with existing conditions.  .2% fatality rate up to 39.  .4% up to age 50.  80+ year olds are 14.8%.

 

So your best bet when this hits is to not be old.

 

Trump is old, and in already poor health... 

 

[silentbob]

So with Pence in charge. I guess the states will be relying on on good ol’ Thoughts and Prayers to get you through the whole ordeal 

[CastlevaniaNut18]

Average people really need to stop freaking out over this. 

[Amazatron]

1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

Average people really need to stop freaking out over this. 

What about below average people, asking for a friend...

[thewhyteboar]

Update from SK:

Every day the number of infected is going up, mainly because Korea is able test a huge amount of people. The mobilization is really impressive. There are drive thru testing centers in Daegu (the city in the middle of the infection and home to that fucking cult). The government is sending text messages to phones based on your location. If you are in an area known to have infected people you'll get a text telling you where they went. There're interactive maps showing you tons of info; restaurants and stores they visited, hospitals treating the infected, etc.

 

Expect the number of infected cases to go up in Korea. They have done over 30,000 tests so far and are doing thousands more each day.

 

Most of the deaths have been elderly or long-term patients at a few hospitals. That fucking cult had members volunteering at a psychiatric hospital and at another hospital for those with physical disabilities. The infection spread pretty rapidly there.

 

Seoul only has 55 or so infected, compared to over 1000 in Daegu. I don't have to go to work until March 9. My wife is telecommuting for a few days, I expect that will be extended.

 

Korea has the resources and will-power to fight this. I don't think America can come close to mobilizing like Korea has.

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

I don't think America can come close to mobilizing like America has.

 

I am America and so can you.

 

[thewhyteboar]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

 

I am America and so can you.

 

[thewhyteboar]

Check out the mortality by age.

[Jason]

 

[CitizenVectron]

9 hours ago, thewhyteboar said:

Update from SK:

Every day the number of infected is going up, mainly because Korea is able test a huge amount of people. The mobilization is really impressive. There are drive thru testing centers in Daegu (the city in the middle of the infection and home to that fucking cult). The government is sending text messages to phones based on your location. If you are in an area known to have infected people you'll get a text telling you where they went. There're interactive maps showing you tons of info; restaurants and stores they visited, hospitals treating the infected, etc.

 

Expect the number of infected cases to go up in Korea. They have done over 30,000 tests so far and are doing thousands more each day.

 

Most of the deaths have been elderly or long-term patients at a few hospitals. That fucking cult had members volunteering at a psychiatric hospital and at another hospital for those with physical disabilities. The infection spread pretty rapidly there.

 

Seoul only has 55 or so infected, compared to over 1000 in Daegu. I don't have to go to work until March 9. My wife is telecommuting for a few days, I expect that will be extended.

 

Korea has the resources and will-power to fight this. I don't think America can come close to mobilizing like Korea has.

 

That's because Korea has good micro, and America has good macro.

 

Also:

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

Japan orders public schools closed until April, extending spring vacation: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/27/national/hokkaido-coronavirus-school/#.XletZElrn3B

[Anathema-]

10 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

That's because Korea has good micro, and America has good macro.

 

[PaladinSolo]

18 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

That's because Korea has good micro, and America has good macro.

 

Also:

 

 

I'm sure it's pretty easy to hire a bunch of laborers on demand for development work, but lol at thinking it's easy to hire thousands of highly trained professionals. 

[marioandsonic]

1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said:

I'm sure it's pretty easy to hire a bunch of laborers on demand for development work, but lol at thinking it's easy to hire thousands of highly trained professionals. 

That's just how businessmen like Trump view their workers: nothing more than replaceable cogs in the machine.

[number305]

12 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

Also, you know, potentially up to 14% of old people dying. Let's say that the 50% of the US is infected. That's still 3 to 4 million dead.

"let's say 50% of the US is infected"  Wow.  You should be a clickbait headline writer.  Why stop there?  What if 110% got infected?  What would the death toll be then?

 

China has 75,000 infected.  They have a population of 1,386,000,000.  Let me know when they hit 1%.  

[SuperSpreader]

4 hours ago, marioandsonic said:

That's just how businessmen like Trump view their workers: nothing more than replaceable cogs in the machine.

Until it backfires, I've seen it happen in the business world time and time again

[CitizenVectron]

32 minutes ago, number305 said:

"let's say 50% of the US is infected"  Wow.  You should be a clickbait headline writer.  Why stop there?  What if 110% got infected?  What would the death toll be then?

 

China has 75,000 infected.  They have a population of 1,386,000,000.  Let me know when they hit 1%.  

 

At least one infectious disease expert has predicted between 40-70% of the world population will be infected due to the highly-contagious nature of the virus. We're already seeing cases appear in the US that cannot be tracked to origin, meaning they have likely infected others. 

 

China has the ability to crack down in ways that the US does not (and cannot), so it will likely spread faster in North America once it reaches a critical mass. 

 

Who knows, maybe (and hopefully!) it only infects 5%. But 50% is not out of the question when you look at how contagious it is (each infected person seems to infect 3-5 others) and the rate at which it is currently spreading.

 

Also, if you trust China's numbers then I have some stuff you sell you.

[Ghost_MH]

43 minutes ago, number305 said:

"let's say 50% of the US is infected"  Wow.  You should be a clickbait headline writer.  Why stop there?  What if 110% got infected?  What would the death toll be then?

 

China has 75,000 infected.  They have a population of 1,386,000,000.  Let me know when they hit 1%.  

 

While I don't trust China's numbers, let's say we do. They got to that small a number by quarantining whole cities and shutting down large factories. China put like a third of the US population under lockdown. I don't think what has happened there is at all comparable to what would happen here.

 

I'm not all doom and gloom like others, but at the same time it's silly to not be a little concerned when the federal government has been so lax on keeping an outbreak under control.

[AbsolutSurgen]

A couple of random thoughts.

A)  I am less concerned about the direct impact to myself, my wife and my kids.  My late 70s parents?  My mid-70s mother-in-law with Asthma?  Yeah, kinda.  Does this make me "not average"?

 

B)  I really don't understand the focus of "average Joe's" on N95 respirators.

1)  Covid-19 isn't an airborne virus

2)  Regularly washing your hands, and NOT touching your face is the most effective way of avoiding contracting COVID-19  (or, not getting sick in general)

3)  Having used an N95 respirator in the past during some renovations -- they get hot/unbearably stuffy VERY fast.  They are not a realistic alternative to wear for any period of time/or doing anything strenuous.

 

C)  IMHO, The focus of world health officials should be on slowing down the spread of the virus for as long as possible, until an appropriate vaccine can be deployed.  If the "when" can be delayed for 9-12 months, that may be good enough.

 

[number305]

Just now, Ghost_MH said:

 

While I don't trust China's numbers, let's say we do. They got to that small a number by quarantining whole cities and shutting down large factories. China put like a third of the US population under lockdown. I don't think what has happened there is at all comparable to what would happen here.

 

I'm not all doom and gloom like others, but at the same time it's silly to not be a little concerned when the federal government has been so lax on keeping an outbreak under control.

Healthy concern and keeping an eye on things are fine.  Probably a good idea to have some extra water and food at your house just in case.  But getting worked up to a panic and pushing bs numbers around does not help anyone.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

The DJIA is now officially in a "correction" (10% decline) with today's continued sell-off.

[number305]

19 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Also, if you trust China's numbers then I have some stuff you sell you.

One last comment.  China's numbers (75,000) are probably low.  Either from lying or not having all the information on how many truly are infected.  But this isn't bad news really.  Deaths are much easier to track and harder to lie about.  So if the number of infected is drastically higher that means we are greatly overestimating the fatality % of the disease.  It probably is not as deadly as it looks right now and those percentages will probably fall as we get more accurate data from other countries.

[number305]

5 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

The DJIA is now officially in a "correction" (10% decline) with today's continued sell-off.

If you have the means start jamming that buy button.  3-5 years from now you will be happy you did.

[AbsolutSurgen]

COVID-19 also seems to have a more significant impact on people with compromised breathing.

I wonder if the fatality rates will be the same in other parts of the world with better air quality and lower smoking rates?

[Joe]

3 minutes ago, number305 said:

If you have the means start jamming that buy button.  3-5 years from now you will be happy you did.

 

That's assuming we are anywhere near the floor. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

4 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

COVID-19 also seems to have a more significant impact on people with compromised breathing.

I wonder if the fatality rates will be the same in other parts of the world with better air quality and lower smoking rates?

That's why I'm interested in seeing the data from Europe.

[CitizenVectron]

My fiance still has a slightly-compromised immune system from her last alemtuzumab treatment for her MS (chemotherapy). I think her lymphocyte count is at .7 or .8 right now, compared to a normal level of 1.0-4.8. So I am definitely concerned about the effect this will have on her. She is otherwise healthy, but this probably bumps her up to be more similar to an older person.

[SilentWorld]

7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

COVID-19 also seems to have a more significant impact on people with compromised breathing.

I wonder if the fatality rates will be the same in other parts of the world with better air quality and lower smoking rates?

Fatter people tho 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

One of Iran's MANY vice presidents diagnosed with COVID-19

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The vice-president for women and family affairs is better known internationally as the English-language spokeswoman for the hostage-takers who seized the US embassy in Tehran in 1979, sparking a 444-day diplomatic crisis.

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

5 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

That's why I'm interested in seeing the data from Europe.

The air quality is certainly better there.

If the Iran (~11%) data comes out, it may be better representative, as it has much closer smoking rates to Canada (~14%) than China (~25%) or Italy (~25%).

[CitizenVectron]

Biggest issue here is going to be the lack of respirators in intensive care units (in western countries). If there are tens or hundreds of thousands of old people that need to be put on these things, hospitals are going to fill up very quickly.

[Keyser_Soze]

14 hours ago, thewhyteboar said:

I don't think America can come close to mobilizing like Korea has.

 

I would like to know what would happen in America. If they quarantine you are you going to have to pay for it yourself?