~*Official #COVID-19 Thread of Doom*~ Revenge of Omicron Prime

[AbsolutSurgen]

2 minutes ago, Jose said:

Because there is no country that exists called China. Call it the PRC virus if you want.

[Joe]

1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

 

If you wanted to attack the government, you would attack the government, not the people. The citizens of Republic of China feel just as Chinese as their mainland counterparts.

[AbsolutSurgen]

1 minute ago, Jose said:

 

If you wanted to attack the government, you would attack the government, not the people. The citizens of Republic of China feel just as Chinese as their mainland counterparts.

My sister-in-law is Taiwanese -- she distinctly does not feel that she is "Chinese" (as in from China).  She does feel that she is "Han Chinese", which is the correct English term for people of the ethnic group that make up the majority of the people who live in China and Taiwan, and Singapore -- as well as significant populations in other countries.

[Joe]

I mean good for her and that is her experience, but a good friend of mine's family is from Republic of China and they very much consider themselves Chinese.

[AbsolutSurgen]

18 minutes ago, Jose said:

I mean good for her and that is her experience, but a good friend of mine's family is from Republic of China and they very much consider themselves Chinese.

I believe you are deliberately convoluting nationality and ethnicity.

[MarSolo]

Oh for fuck’s sake.

[Spork3245]

IMO, which is likely worth nothing on this matter, the issue with calling it the “Chinese Virus” is the stupidity of the average person who categorize all Asian-looking people as Chinese. There has been a huge spike in violence against people with Asian decent directly because of this virus and the origin of it. Call it the Wuhan Virus, which would put it more inline with things like Zika and West Nile.

I dunno. One of my close cop friends is Filipino, yesterday we were catching up on the phone and she was telling me how some officers in her own department were treating her differently, not to mention people on the street, among many other things. Calling this the Chinese Virus is stupid, mostly because people are ignorant assclowns.

[Spork3245]

On a lighter note, The Easter Bunny came through my town this morning...

[CitizenVectron]

1 hour ago, sblfilms said:

I don’t personally care what it’s called, but we shouldn’t be letting the Chinese government off the hook for how they handled this. The naming convention is just an example of how the WHO is bowing to the will of the Chinese government to remove culpability, even if it’s generally a good policy move. But there are many worse issues like how the Chinese government has lied about human to human transmission, which they likely knew of weeks prior to officially announcing it.

 

Agreed, China is massively culpable for the spread of the virus worldwide, as well for falsifying their internal figures. 

[Jason]

1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

 

Taiwan is technically the Republic of China. 

[Jason]

27 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

On a lighter note, The Easter Bunny came through my town this morning...

 

Tell that fucker to get the eggs off my fucking island.

[Joe]

17 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Agreed, China is massively culpable for the spread of the virus worldwide, as well for falsifying their internal figures. 

 

Calling it the Chinese virus is certainly not the only way to hold them culpable.

[SimpleG]

We dont call it Asiatic Cholera , its just Cholera. We dont call it Euro Pox its just Small Pox and we dont call HIV the "African Virus" or "Congo Virus". Its an attempt to vilify a group of people. It can also lead to dumb ass's not taking it seriously because "I aM nOt ChInEsE "

[Spork3245]

9 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Tell that fucker to get the eggs off my fucking island.

But you love bunny eggs

[Zaku3]

 

[Jason]

15 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

But you love bunny eggs

 

 

[Spork3245]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

 

Would you prefer frog eggs?

[Remarkableriots]

https://tipyourserver.org

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

50 minutes ago, SimpleG said:

We dont call it Asiatic Cholera , its just Cholera. We dont call it Euro Pox its just Small Pox and we dont call HIV the "African Virus" or "Congo Virus". Its an attempt to vilify a group of people. It can also lead to dumb ass's not taking it seriously because "I aM nOt ChInEsE "

HIV/AIDS was originally called GRID to vilify a group of people, which lead to dumb asses not taking it seriously. 

[chakoo]

2 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

Why is calling it the Chinese virus racist?  Wuhan is the geographical state, China is the geographical country.

Because when it first was reported it was called/labeled as both Wuhan Virus and Novel Coronavirus. It's been later dubbed the chinese virus by racist to shit on an ethnicity or deflect blame from their own failures. 

 

PRC and the Wuhan regional government deserve criticism for their failures early on but chinese people took the issue very seriously, and far more serious than people from many other countries. Many chinese people were self isolating without being told to do so in the early days to make sure it didn't spread in their communities. 

 

2 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

My sister-in-law is Taiwanese -- she distinctly does not feel that she is "Chinese" (as in from China).  She does feel that she is "Han Chinese", which is the correct English term for people of the ethnic group that make up the majority of the people who live in China and Taiwan, and Singapore -- as well as significant populations in other countries.

Because people from Taiwan will consider themselves taiwanese and those from China as mainlanders to distinguish between them. People from HK & SG will do the same.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainland_Chinese

[silentbob]

So semi good news to report. The hospital messed up and confused my aunt for another patient on a ventilator. My aunt is still on Oxygen and battling a very high fever but she’s in “better” health than what we were told to be scared shitless about. 
 

funny thing is that my cousin just got her results back after 2 weeks on her Covid test and supposedly NEVER HAD IT. These tests still aren’t too accurate (20-30% false negative) because her husband was confirmed. She was more sick than him most days, and have been in/share the same quarantine bedroom. So it worries me how bad the spread really is out there if people like my cousin are being told they’re fine. Thankfully she was smart enough to stay home (no choice cause she still had to quarantine herself and had no energy) but the idiots being cleared but still feel sick and have it. . . .it scares me.

[cusideabelincoln]

Fucking hell this article is getting shared on my social media...

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/10/ron-paul-former-gop-congressman-trump-should-fire-/?fbclid=IwAR1qydBdgoFOrLFCHAEww9M3wBRRihpG0yXeoFksZQrOMoMdKOne_POee3Y

 

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Former Rep. Ron Paul: Trump should fire Dr. Fauci, 'fraud' leading coronavirus response

 

[silentbob]

I thought is was his son saying this and not his dad. Both are morons and MY GAWD reading the comments from people to the article scares me for how moronic people are. He would also be that person who would of sacrificed his politician son to get the economy back to normal and not the other way around

[cusideabelincoln]

Yeah I'm seeing my local social group thinks the shutdown is meant to control us into accepting authoritarian policies, big pharma is trying to mandate vaccines, Fauci is killing people because he's "actively not endorsing" hydroxychloroquine, and all kinds of conspiracy bullshit.

 

Rural America is so blind.

 

I also tried to show some of these people articles about the senators trading stocks after their private briefing and they completely blew it off as perfectly normal! Ahaha.

[skillzdadirecta]

2 hours ago, sblfilms said:

https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/coronavirus-circulating-california-2019-bunk.html
 

I’m getting really tired of having to explain to people that they didn’t have Covid in December or January. 

 That link you posted specifically talks about the FALL of 2019... Last I checked, Winter starts in December and January is DEFINITELY Winter ( and not 2019) It's definitely possible that some folks had it in December and January and didn't know it or it was misdiagnosed as just regular flu. This is from the NY times article I linked earlier about the New York outbreak originating in Europe and not China (Although the European outbreak definitely started in China) https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html

 

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As new cases arose in other parts of the country, other researchers set up their own pipelines. The first positive test result in New York came on March 1, and after a couple of weeks, patients surged into the city’s hospitals. “I thought, ‘We need to do this for New York,’” Dr. Heguy said. Dr. Heguy and her colleagues found some New York viruses that shared unique mutations not found elsewhere. “That’s when you know you’ve had a silent transmission for a while,” she said. Dr. Heguy estimated that the virus began circulating in the New York area a couple of months ago.

 

The article continues

 

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And researchers at Mount Sinai started sequencing the genomes of patients coming through their hospital. They found that the earliest cases identified in New York were not linked to later ones. “Two weeks later, we start seeing viruses related to each other,” said Ana Silvia Gonzalez-Reiche, a member of the Mount Sinai team.

Dr. Gonzalez-Reiche and her colleagues found that these viruses were practically identical to viruses found around Europe. They cannot say on what particular flight a particular virus arrived in New York. But they write that the viruses reveal “a period of untracked global transmission between late January to mid-February.”

 

So while this research doesn't mention December it doesn't rule  it out definitively either.

 

Snopes doesn't rule it out either although they do speculate that based on the information they've seen, the chances of the virus being spread out of China are low but not entirely impossible.

 

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/03/already-had-covid-19/

 

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The earliest reports from Chinese health officials regarding what would become known as COVID-19 implicated the Huanan fish market in Wuhan, China, as the source of the viral outbreak and Dec. 8, 2019, the day of its first recorded case. “Most of the unexplained viral pneumonia cases in Wuhan [at] this time have a history of exposure” to the market, a report from the city of Wuhan read in early January 2020.

Later, however, when a large team of Chinese researchers published a case study on Wuhan’s early COVID-19 cases, they revealed that only 27 of 41 patients had been exposed to the Huanan seafood market and that the first case had no known connection to it. Speaking to Science Magazine, Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University, said that 13 cases with no link to the proposed origin was a “big number” and that the data demonstrate that “the virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace.”

Responding to questions from Science, the corresponding author on that early case study, Bin Cao, wrote, “It seems clear that [the] seafood market is not the only origin of the virus,” and that “to be honest, we still do not know where the virus came from now.” According to the South China Morning Post, Chinese government documents now trace the first confirmed case to a Nov. 17 illness contracted by “a 55 year-old from Hubei province” — which contains Wuhan. 

Lucey, writing in a blog post for the Infectious Diseases Society of America, argued: If initial and potentially repeated animal-person transmission, followed by subsequent person-to-person transmission, could have begun in October-November or earlier in 2019, then patients with pneumonia due to infection with the novel coronavirus […] could have started to spread across Wuhan, and by infected-travelers leaving Wuhan to other locations.

This article speculates that the initial transmission could have started earlier than October of 2019 so who's to say that some folks couldn't have had it? I personally know several people who think they did. Thing is, ALL of them traveled abroad in the fall and winter before we knew the scope of this thing. I wouldn't be so certain to dismiss folks unless you know them personally to be full of shit 

 

 

[skillzdadirecta]

4 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

My sister-in-law is Taiwanese -- she distinctly does not feel that she is "Chinese" (as in from China).  She does feel that she is "Han Chinese", which is the correct English term for people of the ethnic group that make up the majority of the people who live in China and Taiwan, and Singapore -- as well as significant populations in other countries.

Doesn't matter if she's Chinese or Korean or Japanese... she's going to be attacked equally by racists who are looking for someone to blame. That's the problem with calling this "Chinese Flu" or some "Kung Flu" or some other bullshit. Attributing this or any virus to a group of people rather than a region is  gonna cause problems for people in that group (and others who aren't in that group but look like they could be because Americans be stupid, even in their bigotry) and Posting videos of Bill Maher doesn't help make the case because that fucker is just another racist white guy with a big mouth. Fuck that dude. I didn't know people still watched him.

[Nokra]

25 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said:

Yeah I'm seeing my local social group thinks the shutdown is meant to control us into accepting authoritarian policies, big pharma is trying to mandate vaccines, Fauci is killing people because he's "actively not endorsing" hydroxychloroquine, and all kinds of conspiracy bullshit.

 

Rural America is so blind.

 

I also tried to show some of these people articles about the senators trading stocks after their private briefing and they completely blew it off as perfectly normal! Ahaha.

My uncle just posted this idiotic meme on Facebook:

 

 

🤦🏻‍♂️

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 That link you posted specifically talks about the FALL of 2019... Last I checked, Winter starts in December and January is DEFINITELY Winter ( and not 2019) It's definitely possible that some folks had it in December and January and didn't know it or it was misdiagnosed as just regular flu. This is from the NY times article I linked earlier about the New York outbreak originating in Europe and not China (Although the European outbreak definitely started in China) https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html

 

 

The article continues

 

 

So while this research doesn't mention December it doesn't rule  it out definitively either.

 

Snopes doesn't rule it out either although they do speculate that based on the information they've seen, the chances of the virus being spread out of China are low but not entirely impossible.

 

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/03/already-had-covid-19/

 

This article speculates that the initial transmission could have started earlier than October of 2019 so who's to say that some folks couldn't have had it? I personally know several people who think they did. Thing is, ALL of them traveled abroad in the fall and winter before we knew the scope of this thing. I wouldn't be so certain to dismiss folks unless you know them personally to be full of shit 

 

 

The article is more than it’s headline. It goes into how studying the mutation of the virus provides a map for its spread. So we don’t have specific dates necessarily, but we can rule out time frames for given areas pretty easily.
 

These people I’m talking to are living in semi-rural Texas and didn’t travel anywhere outside the county. If Covid was in semi-rural Texas in December and January, you’re talking about the virus being exceptionally wide spread in the US at that point. Where are the hospitalizations if that’s the case?

[cusideabelincoln]

4 minutes ago, Nokra said:

My uncle just posted this idiotic meme on Facebook:

 

 

🤦🏻‍♂️

 

Hey look, population density and travel hubs!

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Nokra said:

My uncle just posted this idiotic meme on Facebook:

 

 

🤦🏻‍♂️

It’s a real time to shine for racist old uncles

[skillzdadirecta]

15 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

The article is more than it’s headline. It goes into how studying the mutation of the virus provides a map for its spread. So we don’t have specific dates necessarily, but we can rule out time frames for given areas pretty easily.
 

These people I’m talking to are living in semi-rural Texas and didn’t travel anywhere outside the county. If Covid was in semi-rural Texas in December and January, you’re talking about the virus being exceptionally wide spread in the US at that point. Where are the hospitalizations if that’s the case?

 

I know the article is more than its headline which is why I read it... and why I linked excerpts from it. Again, from Snopes:

 

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It is, however, factual to state that scientists are not confident they fully understand when or where SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus responsible for COVID-19, first started infecting humans. Does this mean it’s possible you have already had the disease without knowing it? Scientists say that’s quite unlikely, but that gaps in our knowledge about the origin and timing of the pandemic make it impossible to completely rule out at the moment.

 

also

 

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SARS-CoV-2 or a close progenitor was circulating in China for a period of time — November or December or even before — before the cluster of cases of severe pneumonia allowed the identification of COVID-19.

Can we rule out that travels from China went to the US or elsewhere and set off small clusters of COVID cases that never got established? Seems very unlikely, but we won’t really know for sure until these serological tests are perfected.

 

So yeah... the jury is still kinda out. Your folks in rural Texas probably didn't have it unless they came into contact with people who had been traveling internationally in the fall. We don't even know how long this thing has been circulating in The States to be honest. 

[Keyser_Soze]

On 4/2/2020 at 7:22 AM, Keyser_Soze said:

 

 

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

51 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Doesn't matter if she's Chinese or Korean or Japanese... she's going to be attacked equally by racists who are looking for someone to blame. That's the problem with calling this "Chinese Flu" or some "Kung Flu" or some other bullshit. Attributing this or any virus to a group of people rather than a region is  gonna cause problems for people in that group (and others who aren't in that group but look like they could be because Americans be stupid, even in their bigotry) and Posting videos of Bill Maher doesn't help make the case because that fucker is just another racist white guy with a big mouth. Fuck that dude. I didn't know people still watched him.

I don't really see the people of Taiwan rising up against each other in a racist furor.

[AbsolutSurgen]

@skillzdadirecta My Taiwanese sister-in-law lives in Taiwan. I don't anticipate she'll have to deal with too many racists on a day-to-day basis.

[Guest]

57 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

I know the article is more than its headline which is why I read it... and why I linked excerpts from it.

You didn’t quote anything from the article I linked to, you quoted from the articles you linked to.