CitizenVectron Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Target Removes Some LGBTQ Merchandise From Stores Ahead Of June Pride Month After Threats To Workers WWW.HUFFPOST.COM The retailer is making changes to its LGBTQ merchandise nationwide after an intense backlash from some customers including violent confrontations with its workers. Predictably, the manufactured rage against trans people is spreading to the entire queer community. Quote Target's Pride month collection has also been the subject of several misleading videos in recent weeks, with social media users falsely claiming the retailer is selling "tuck-friendly" bathing suits designed for kids or in kids' sizes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 I didn’t see a whole lot in the Pride section at the front of the store when I was there Saturday. I’m so goddamned sick of these bigots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Quote 2slgbtq+ There has to be something better for handling being all-encompassing than adding more letters to this every couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Jason said: There has to be something better for handling being all-encompassing than adding more letters to this every couple of years. Yeah, um, what is that exactly? I still mostly use LGBT, though I’ve started adding the Q lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Yeah, um, what is that exactly? I still mostly use LGBT, though I’ve started adding the Q lately. Upon googling to see if Riley had had a stroke while writing the thread title, I learned that it's "two-spirit". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Just now, Jason said: Upon googling to see if Riley had had a stroke while writing the thread title, I learned that it's "two-spirit". Wtf does that mean!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 24 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Wtf does that mean!? It's a legit Indigenous tradition, whereby some people were/are recognized and celebrated for holding two spirits (multiple genders). In Canada we add 2S at the start to recognize this group. I agree that the abbreviation is growing long...but it's not up to me to change it, so I use whatever is requested. I do know a number of younger members of the community are taking to calling it the "queer community" more and more, but some older members of the community still don't like the reclamation of that term. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 40 minutes ago, Jason said: There has to be something better for handling being all-encompassing than adding more letters to this every couple of years. People 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: It's a legit Indigenous tradition, whereby some people were/are recognized and celebrated for holding two spirits (multiple genders). In Canada we add 2S at the start to recognize this group. I agree that the abbreviation is growing long...but it's not up to me to change it, so I use whatever is requested. I do know a number of younger members of the community are taking to calling it the "queer community" more and more, but some older members of the community still don't like the reclamation of that term. That sounds familiar now. I think I’ve read that somewhere in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: People That would be nice, but as long as a sizable chunk of the population treat and think of them as less, it would be wild to not expect folks to form communities and labels representing their support and camaraderie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Bud Light did the same thing and it just pissed off both sides. Either stick with it, or just don’t bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Jason said: There has to be something better for handling being all-encompassing than adding more letters to this every couple of years. Most people I know just use "queer." It is sort of an all encompassing term. Some gay people don't like using it (especially older folks), but almost every person I know that has an identity that is something other than straight cis is happy with the term queer. Like I don't think I know anyone personally who consider themselves a trans male, they prefer GNC (gender-non-conforming), but they're also happy with queer. We live in a post-gender world, people, and there isn't really anything anyone can do about it, no matter how hard they try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: Most people I know just use "queer." It is sort of an all encompassing term. Some gay people don't like using it (especially older folks), but almost every person I know that has an identity that is something other than straight cis is happy with the term queer. Like I don't think I know anyone personally who consider themselves a trans male, they prefer GNC (gender-non-conforming), but they're also happy with queer. We live in a post-gender world, people, and there isn't really anything anyone can do about it, no matter how hard they try. My dad uses it in a derogatory manner, so it’s a bit hard for me to use it in reclamation type way. Least he doesn’t say the f-word, though I don’t really know why. I mean, he routinely uses the n-word for Black people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 34 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: My dad uses it in a derogatory manner, so it’s a bit hard for me to use it in reclamation type way. Least he doesn’t say the f-word, though I don’t really know why. I mean, he routinely uses the n-word for Black people. Yeah, I think it's the main difference in terms of where you are/when you're from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Fizzzzle said: Yeah, I think it's the main difference in terms of where you are/when you're from I think it's less of where you're from and more of who you are. Just like black people would call each other nxxga 2slgbtq people would call each other queer. But when you're not in the group you're going to feel less comfortable using those terms. So for now there won't be an all encompassing term for that community. It just seems to be the less offensive term for people who aren't in the group to use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: nxxga I thought this was the name of one of Elon's kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: I thought this was the name of one of Elon's kids. That's kxxfir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Stop appeasing the bigots. There’s a whole chapter in history books about why that’s a bad idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 This has been all over conservative media the past few days. Like, often their leading headline. A very common argument from conservatives, whether it’s Target or Nike or Bud Light or Starbucks or Keurig or the million of other brands they’ve tried to cancel, is “I understand X brand is a business and their goal is to make money so why would they alienate so many consumers with their virtue signaling.” They are so enveloped within their own media ecosystem it doesn’t even dawn on them that the majority of consumers might actually support gay rights or red and green cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, MarSolo said: Stop appeasing the bigots. There’s a whole chapter in history books about why that’s a bad idea. yup all this is doing is letting them win to keep doing more and more shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Ah, so these "anti woke" people are literally terrorists now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Were these types of initiatives by Target and other retailers at all profitable? Can a company be inviting/accepting to groups of downcast groups of people without "pandering"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Were these types of initiatives by Target and other retailers at all profitable? Can a company be inviting/accepting to groups of downcast groups of people without "pandering"? its all just bullshit corpo PR stuff. it probably neither helps or hurts them but all they are doing by giving into these chuds is giving themselves bad PR which is usually the last thing corps want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 hour ago, MarSolo said: Stop appeasing the bigots. There’s a whole chapter in history books about why that’s a bad idea. They're holding a gun to Target's head. If any of those threats are real, they can't risk harm to any of their workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Were these types of initiatives by Target and other retailers at all profitable? Can a company be inviting/accepting to groups of downcast groups of people without "pandering"? They were profitable, but they stop being so if employees have to deal with right-wingers marching into stores and destroying displays and/or merchandise. At a certain point it becomes too much of a headache to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Then hire security. Call the cops. Anything but “we can’t do anything because the bigots are mean and scary”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Reputator said: They're holding a gun to Target's head. If any of those threats are real, they can't risk harm to any of their workers. If I threatened to shoot up a Target unless they stopped selling Christmas decorations do you think Target would stop selling Christmas decorations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 57 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Ah, so these "anti woke" people are literally terrorists now. Now? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jason said: If I threatened to shoot up a Target unless they stopped selling Christmas decorations do you think Target would stop selling Christmas decorations? only one way to find out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, MarSolo said: Then hire security. Call the cops. Anything but “we can’t do anything because the bigots are mean and scary”. That sounds expensive, but also you just know that really in a lawsuit that becomes a media storm where hair the nation takes the side of the terrorist and starts sending death threats to the security officers. 25 minutes ago, Jason said: If I threatened to shoot up a Target unless they stopped selling Christmas decorations do you think Target would stop selling Christmas decorations? Difference in scale. Christmas is FAR more lucrative. Also, left-wing terrorism isn't really a thing in this country, so you'd have to recruit a LOT more people to make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 On 5/24/2023 at 12:06 PM, mclumber1 said: Were these types of initiatives by Target and other retailers at all profitable? Can a company be inviting/accepting to groups of downcast groups of people without "pandering"? I dunno is it pandering to the Jewish population for them to carry Hanukah merchandise every year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Kamusha said: I dunno is it pandering to the Jewish population for them to carry Hanukah merchandise every year? TBH I don't ever recall Hanukkah merchandise every being displayed prominently in any retail store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, mclumber1 said: TBH I don't ever recall Hanukkah merchandise every being displayed prominently in any retail store. Never been in a retail store in Broward County, Florida towards the end of the year, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 As a general rule, businesses try to grow their sales by appealing to many different demographics, even when they have a primary demographic they attempt to cater to most. Pandering seems like an odd choice unless you believe all moves businesses make to appeal to smaller market segments is pandering…which kinda makes it pointless to call out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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