General Gaming Nintendo 64's GoldenEye 007 is coming to Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack and Game Pass on January 27th, now with online play!

[chakoo]

Wow the improved performance in the switch version might finally push me to get back on NSO & Expansion Pass.

[gamer.tv]

On 1/25/2023 at 3:48 PM, best3444 said:

 

Lol. Does that matter at this point? I mean sure, in 1997 this game was pretty damn amazing. You compare it to today's standards it's just not a good videogame in any way. 

I have massive nostalgia for the game but I find most of the mission based gameplay is fun - escort/protection missions withstanding. It does remind me I’m also one mission off finishing Perfect Dark on the N64.

[best3444]

8 minutes ago, gamer.tv said:

I have massive nostalgia for the game but I find most of the mission based gameplay is fun - escort/protection missions withstanding. It does remind me I’m also one mission off finishing Perfect Dark on the N64.

 

I backed away from this thread but anyone that will find enjoyment out of this I'm happy for them. It's just a big turnoff for me. 

[ort]

GoldenEye controls better on Xbox than on Switch

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Nintendo hasn’t added modern FPS controls to the new release of Rare’s classic

 

Sad trombone noise. (for the switch version)

 

Sooo... I played like 10 minutes of the Xbox version and while yes, it is dual stick and has a more modern button/stick layout... the movement and aiming feels VERY old and busted. They didn't improve the smoothness or use any of the subtle tricks with acceleration and whatnot that would make it feel more like a modern day shooter.  I'm going to try and play though this again, but time may have passed it by. We'll see.

[crispy4000]

4 hours ago, ort said:

GoldenEye controls better on Xbox than on Switch

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Nintendo hasn’t added modern FPS controls to the new release of Rare’s classic

 

Sad trombone noise. (for the switch version)

 

Sooo... I played like 10 minutes of the Xbox version and while yes, it is dual stick and has a more modern button/stick layout... the movement and aiming feels VERY old and busted. They didn't improve the smoothness or use any of the subtle tricks with acceleration and whatnot that would make it feel more like a modern day shooter.  I'm going to try and play though this again, but time may have passed it by. We'll see.

 

 

Can be fixed, but you've got to set up a game specific profile for it.

[stepee]

Just now, crispy4000 said:

 

 

Can be fixed, but you've got to set up a game specific profile for it.

 

smart!

[Dodger]

Anyone play it yet?

[silentbob]

I just played The Dam level and it’s a lot of warm fuzzy memories. I forgot about the floating sight on the sniper on zoomed in enemies. The widescreen is a nice addition, but I wish they could have given us some options for the control movement speed. 

[5timechamp]

My son of all people was excited to play on Xbox cause its free with Rare replay…  then hea crushed cause its free if you have the digital version of Rare Replay Lol..

 

Hes just mad nobody plays Perfect Dark online…. me I just want Conkers Beach Mode with 16 player online MP

[Dodger]

Yeah this is rough. Hard to believe this was how FPS started for most of us who are old enough. Good thing the levels are mostly short. This might be a play a level here and there kinda thing and not something to plow through which me and my friends did 25 or whatever years ago. If you can’t get it for free on Games Pass or Rare replay I probably wouldn’t recommend it unless you have the warm fuzzy memories of playing it when you were young.

[Keyser_Soze]

@best3444 needs some of this guy's hype

 

 

[Jason]

Okay so where is it on the PC Xbox app? Trying to get the Gamepass version and can't find it.

[Keyser_Soze]

32 minutes ago, Jason said:

Okay so where is it on the PC Xbox app? Trying to get the Gamepass version and can't find it.

 

Since it's part of Rare Replay the game is console only because Rare Replay is not on PC.

[Jason]

5 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Since it's part of Rare Replay the game is console only because Rare Replay is not on PC.

 

Apparently available on Cloud on my phone though. So dumb.

[Jason]

Oh available on Cloud on PC too. Such a sensible distinction.

[stepee]

I mean, you have other options on pc :P

 

It’s definitely something that is more of a struggle to play than it is fun to play in its original form nowadays. I can still see the traces of brilliance and why it was so successful at the time, the guns still feel punchy, the silent pistol has that great zip to it and clearing out a room with it still has a satisfying feel. The tone is good and the mission structure is still kind of unique. But actually executing actions in it is more work than it’s worth and following objectives isn’t as easy to follow as it could be. Game also just looks dumb but that has some nostalgic charm I guess.

 

I think there is something to it still, that a proper remake could be fun, but as is it’s more interesting form a history perspective than a having fun playing a game in 2023 perspective.

[Jason]

27 minutes ago, stepee said:

I mean, you have other options on pc :P

 

It’s definitely something that is more of a struggle to play than it is fun to play in its original form nowadays. I can still see the traces of brilliance and why it was so successful at the time, the guns still feel punchy, the silent pistol has that great zip to it and clearing out a room with it still has a satisfying feel. The tone is good and the mission structure is still kind of unique. But actually executing actions in it is more work than it’s worth and following objectives isn’t as easy to follow as it could be. Game also just looks dumb but that has some nostalgic charm I guess.

 

I think there is something to it still, that a proper remake could be fun, but as is it’s more interesting form a history perspective than a having fun playing a game in 2023 perspective. 

 

I figured, which is why I want to try it out on something I already have (Game Pass) instead of something I'd have to first pay for (the higher tier of Switch online).

[stepee]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

I figured, which is why I want to try it out on something I already have (Game Pass) instead of something I'd have to first pay for (the higher tier of Switch online).

I’d literally just download the rom and a copy of retroarch :P

[Jason]

1 hour ago, stepee said:

retroarch

 

yuck

 

Plus the Game Pass version is already set up with a good controller profile.

[Zaku3]

1 hour ago, stepee said:

I’d literally just download the rom and a copy of retroarch :P

 

Naw I feel him. If you like it you got to buy it. Wasn't there a remake rumor? If this does crazy numbers then it might make sense trying to get the remake done.

[Keyser_Soze]

6 hours ago, Zaku3 said:

Naw I feel him. If you like it you got to buy it. Wasn't there a remake rumor? If this does crazy numbers then it might make sense trying to get the remake done.

 

The remake is done, it leaked, Nintendo shut it down. They made Microsoft release this thing instead.

[Derek]

I played for about 10 minutes. I'll post a review of the ground textures later because I spent most of my short run, staring at it.

[TheLeon]

I just had a few minutes to play through the opening. The super clunky nature of the whole thing was kinda charming. I might actually end up playing through this. 

[Jason]

It plays okay enough on the Game Pass version, but the aiming for instance can be annoying. It definitely feels like an analog stick emulating digital aiming controls instead of being actual proper analog aiming.

[ShreddieMercury]

Nostalgia is absolutely the main draw of this game at this point, nobody is expecting it to hold up to modern sensibilities.  But it still does have its charms, and I would argue that local multiplayer (which is sadly so Rare nowadays) is where this would shine. 

 

People have to understand that this was revolutionary for consoles.  FPS games were of course already pretty advanced on PC at this point, but for a certain generation of people this was like a cultural atom bomb.  I wouldn't put it on par with going from 16/32 bit consoles to Mario 64, but it's in that same general league, representing a huge leap forward that wouldn't be surpassed until Halo again revolutionized (and seemingly perfected) the console FPS.  Perfect Dark is the better game (and it has a better remake that's playable in enhanced fashion on Xbox), but this is an important piece of gaming history, and the fact that any of it holds up at all is a testament to what they accomplished the first go around.

[crispy4000]

The multiplayer has held up much worse than the single player, IMO.  It doesn't offer much beyond a couch deathmatch experience with lots of stop-to-aim shooting.  It's fun for nostalgia's sake, but probably not worth revisiting if you're not of that era.  Halo 1's couch multiplayer has aged a lot more gracefully.

 

The campaign is still intelligently designed by today's standards, and threads the needle perfectly between stealth and action, linear and open.  That's where I see its relevance today.  Or rather, a sign of what could have been if more FPSs took the right lessons from it.

[Paperclyp]

1 hour ago, crispy4000 said:

The multiplayer has held up much worse than the single player, IMO.  It doesn't offer much beyond a couch deathmatch experience with lots of stop-to-aim shooting.  It's fun for nostalgia's sake, but probably not worth revisiting if you're not of that era.  Halo 1's couch multiplayer has aged a lot more gracefully.

 

The campaign is still intelligently designed by today's standards, and threads the needle perfectly between stealth and action, linear and open.  That's where I see its relevance today.  Or rather, a sign of what could have been if more FPSs took the right lessons from it.

It’s crazy the rapidity of progression back then. Halo and goldeneye are 4 years apart, but halo is a clear generational leap in multiple respects. 
 

Now 4 years go by and it’s like I dunno we have a Lebron James skin now? 

[stepee]

1 hour ago, Paperclyp said:

It’s crazy the rapidity of progression back then. Halo and goldeneye are 4 years apart, but halo is a clear generational leap in multiple respects. 
 

Now 4 years go by and it’s like I dunno we have a Lebron James skin now? 

 

Well on a tech front, 4 years ago the RTX series launched and we began implementing small bits of ray tracing that some people with the top of the line card can start experiencing and now we are implementing moderately larger bits of ray tracing that some people with the top of the line card can start experiencing!

[best3444]

I played for an hour. Visuals were worse than I thought but I did have fun and it definitely brought back amazing memories.

 

 

[imthesoldier]

Have played a few levels on NSO, and to sum it up: 

 

It runs better than N64, and guns still go pew pew. 

[Keyser_Soze]

9 minutes ago, imthesoldier said:

Have played a few levels on NSO, and to sum it up: 

 

It runs better than N64, and guns still go pew pew. 

 

4 player split screen online seems pretty close to N64.

[imthesoldier]

2 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

4 player split screen online seems pretty close to N64.

 

I'm actually getting some friends together tomorrow to try it out. We'll see how nostalgic we truly are. 

[TheShader]

Played it some myself today on XBOX. I agree with the general sentiment, lots of nostalgic charm. Would probably play through the whole thing if there weren't other games I'm wanting to get to in my limited gaming time. I love the graphics, but I've always loved the aesthetic of the kind of HD graphics of 3D models you're used to viewing on a fuzzy CRT tv, even when it makes them objectively worse. Not sure why, just like it.

 

That said, surprised how well it's held up over the years. I expected it to still be good, and I obviously wouldn't buy this if it was a new game being sold at $60, but even without the nostalgic charm there's a lot of fun sill in the game in 2023.

[imthesoldier]

Last Thursday, played several rounds of Online with some buddies, and overall we had a blast down this trip on memory lane. Sure, the frame rate doesn't hold, but it's still FAR better than what the N64 could do. I can definitely tell that aiming with either the Joy-Cons, or Pro Controller isn't the greatest due to how short the sticks are. The taller N64 stick makes it easier to fine tune your aiming, even with the Dual Analog modified controls on Switch. 

 

I also finished the main campaign on Agent, and now going through each level on Secret, and 00 Agent difficulties, and what strikes me the game overall does still hold up. Sure, the AI can be a bit dimwitted, especially when you have 3-5 enemies right beside each other shooting at you, but the additional objectives, and the rather surprising spike in difficulty, on top of the unlockable cheats, it's great. It's too bad most new FPS titles do not include more objectives at higher difficulties, and unlockable cheats, though I guess that's become more of a Retro-style of gaming. 

 

Overall, all Goldeneye needed was a better frame rate, and controls. Otherwise, the core game was already solid.