Joe Biden beats Donald Trump, officially making Trump a one-term twice impeached, twice popular-vote losing president

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

10 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

 

Would such a law be ruled constitutional?  It seems like that would be in violation of Article I language.  The reason it works right now is because it's simply a procedural rule, and the courts rarely touch Congressional rules. 

Each house of congress can make up whatever rules they want for their chamber

[mclumber1]

Yeah.  Rules.  Not laws.  The Constitution is pretty clear on what it takes to pass a bill.  

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Oh, yeah. Misread that. Yeah a law requiring 60 votes to pass whatever would be pretty blatantly unconstitutional, especially under a separation of powers Roberts court. The house and president have no bearing on what it takes to pass a bill in the Senate that isn't prescribed in the Constitution

[Anathema-]

1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said:

I told you guys, you nuke the filibuster, pass whatever you want with 50+1, then when you're done you make it law you need 60 votes.

 

Laws can't govern senate procedure. 

[PaladinSolo]

Then who cares, this shits all gone within the next 50 years anyways.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

16 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

Then who cares, this shits all gone within the next 50 years anyways.

30 years, tops!

[MarSolo]

When we say gone, we talking global warming? Nuclear? Separatist Movement that the Jedi didn’t see coming?

 

I need an answer before I throw in a number.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Just now, MarSolo said:

When we say gone, we talking global warming? Nuclear? Separatist Movement that the Jedi didn’t see coming?

 

I need an answer before I throw in a number.

We mean the dissolution of United States as a social/political/economic entity.

[MarSolo]

39 minutes ago, Emperor Diocletian II said:

We mean the dissolution of United States as a social/political/economic entity.

Oh! I got 23 years then.

[CitizenVectron]

If we're using Price is Right rules, I bid 1.

[GeneticBlueprint]

18 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

If we're using Price is Right rules, I bid 1.

I bid 366 days, then.

[Signifyin(g)Monkey]

1 hour ago, Emperor Diocletian II said:

We mean the dissolution of United States as a social/political/economic entity.

1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said:

Then who cares, this shits all gone within the next 50 years anyways.

Nah, this shit’s going nowhere.  But things could get...interesting. 

[Anathema-]

9 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

9 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

If we're using Price is Right rules, I bid 1

 

I bid 366 days, then.

 

Owned. 

[Chairslinger]

11 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

If we're using Price is Right rules, I bid 1.

 

11 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

I bid 366 days, then.

 

2 hours ago, Anathema- said:

 

Owned. 

 

 

 

[cusideabelincoln]

In the Wallace interview, Trump calls "the two World Wars... beautiful World Wars."

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

 

[SaysWho?]

34 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

 

 

The shift with white voters is a good analysis, but comparing this month to November I don't think is. 

 

 

 

If there are still undecided black voters who will make up their mind closer to Election Day, that would be a better comparison, right?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

I would think so. Harry is usually better than this!

[SaysWho?]

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I would think so. Harry is usually better than this!

 

True! I follow his stuff, so this seems a bit rushed a comparison.

 

In non-poll news, Biden becomes one of the few people who spoke directly to a large group of Muslims during a campaign according to this group. The only other two who visited them were Bernie Sanders and Julian Castro.

 

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Just his presence — albeit virtually, due to the pandemic, from his home in Delaware — was rather historic for Muslim leaders, who can't recall another presidential nominee speaking directly to such a large group of Muslims. The group, Emgage Action, says 3,000 people RSVP'd for its livestreamed event.

 

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"One of the things that I think is important: I wish, I wish we taught more in our schools about the Islamic faith," Biden said. "What people don't realize is ... we all come from the same root here, in terms of our fundamental basic beliefs."

 

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And, referring to the Trump administration's altered travel ban, he pledged: "If I have the honor of being president, I will end the Muslim ban on Day 1. Day 1."

 

Prior to the Democratic primaries, Muslims groups last year invited candidates to attend the annual Islamic Society of North America convention, one of the largest gatherings of U.S. Muslims. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Housing Secretary Julián Castro were the only two candidates who showed up. And Sanders, in particular, was treated like a rock star, not just for attending, but for making a substantial effort to campaign for Muslim votes. It wasn't lost on Muslims that he had a Muslim campaign manager or that he received endorsements from high-profile Muslim politicians like Reps. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan.

 

[CitizenVectron]

32 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

True! I follow his stuff, so this seems a bit rushed a comparison.

 

In non-poll news, Biden becomes one of the few people who spoke directly to a large group of Muslims during a campaign according to this group. The only other two who visited them were Bernie Sanders and Julian Castro.

 

 

 

 

 

This is one of those crazy differences that I am surprised by. In Canada, Muslim voters are aggressively courted by at least two of the major parties (Liberals and NDP). Generally speaking, almost all immigrant/outside ethnic groups are sought after by even the Conservative Party since they form such large voting groups, especially in the suburbs of Toronto, Vancouver, etc. One reason why Stephen Harper won three terms as PM was because he aggressively courted minority groups. Up until the 2015 election, there was little difference in support between the major parties within immigrant populations and minorities. It's changed since (due tot he xenophobic campaign of 2015 by the Conservatives). But at least in the past 20 years, there is little downside to politicians in Canada openly going to Mosques and campaigning, etc.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

This is one of those crazy differences that I am surprised by. In Canada, Muslim voters are aggressively courted by at least two of the major parties (Liberals and NDP). Generally speaking, almost all immigrant/outside ethnic groups are sought after by even the Conservative Party since they form such large voting groups, especially in the suburbs of Toronto, Vancouver, etc. One reason why Stephen Harper won three terms as PM was because he aggressively courted minority groups. Up until the 2015 election, there was little difference in support between the major parties within immigrant populations and minorities. It's changed since (due tot he xenophobic campaign of 2015 by the Conservatives). But at least in the past 20 years, there is little downside to politicians in Canada openly going to Mosques and campaigning, etc.

In 2000 GWB openly courted Muslims, and visited a mosque! Then 9/11 and the largely (but not exclusively) conservative anti Muslim backlash happened.

 

Muslims and other immigrants and even most black Americans would be more welcome in the republican party on social issues, but they just can't get over their racism!

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

American Muslims overwhelmingly voted Republican...

 

...then 9/11 and its aftermath happened.

 

Edit: Oops!  Just saw that @b_m_b_m_b_m wrote the same bloody thing!

[SaysWho?]

25 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

This is one of those crazy differences that I am surprised by. In Canada, Muslim voters are aggressively courted by at least two of the major parties (Liberals and NDP). Generally speaking, almost all immigrant/outside ethnic groups are sought after by even the Conservative Party since they form such large voting groups, especially in the suburbs of Toronto, Vancouver, etc. One reason why Stephen Harper won three terms as PM was because he aggressively courted minority groups. Up until the 2015 election, there was little difference in support between the major parties within immigrant populations and minorities. It's changed since (due tot he xenophobic campaign of 2015 by the Conservatives). But at least in the past 20 years, there is little downside to politicians in Canada openly going to Mosques and campaigning, etc.

 

Biden says there should be more education on Islam in schools, which makes sense because it's one of the Abrahamic religions and God knows I learned plenty about religion's role in world history through the present. Yet one of my, er, friends from way back when I worked at a grocery store lost her shit hearing that Biden said that. Conservatism used to at least pretend to be ideological; now it's a conspiracy-laden "ideology" through and through.

 

To b_m/Wade's point: I haven't read a ton on this, but methinks the Republican Party's social conservatism was attractive to many Muslims. I also think that's the value with having an attractive platform to Muslims via the Democratic Party. Most of the Muslims I've seen elected are progressive, and I think it's a lot easier to win others over on social issues when they feel persecuted and see the similarities among other minority races and religions. 

[CitizenVectron]

7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

In 2000 GWB openly courted Muslims, and visited a mosque! Then 9/11 and the largely (but not exclusively) conservative anti Muslim backlash happened.

 

Muslims and other immigrants and even most black Americans would be more welcome in the republican party on social issues, but they just can't get over their racism!

 

1 minute ago, Emperor Diocletian II said:

American Muslims overwhelmingly voted Republican...

 

...then 9/11 and its aftermath happened.

 

This is exactly what has happened in Canada, too, though for a different reason. The Conservatives (under Harper) managed to effectively court immigrant populations (especially Chinese and Indian) from 2008-2015 as many immigrants were religious and/or fiscally conservative. However, in 2015, in an effort to shore up the white base, Harper went xenophobic and the minority vote swung hard to Trudeau. Same in 2019. Another difference between the US and Canada, however, is that many of our MPs are immigrant-born. Parties find that they have better success rates in, say, Indian-dominant suburbs if they run an Indian candidate. So it's very common in places like Richmond, BC to have all candidates be ethnically Chinese, or in Brampton, ON to see an all-Indian slate. This has helped accelerate the diversification of our Parliament. It's not perfect, of course, but in the last 20 years we've seen a huge change int eh composition of the middle and upper-leadership of our parties, to the point where the leader of the NDP (third place, socialist party) is now a knife-carrying Sikh.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

12 minutes ago, Emperor Diocletian II said:

American Muslims overwhelmingly voted Republican...

 

...then 9/11 and its aftermath happened.

 

Edit: Oops!  Just saw that @b_m_b_m_b_m wrote the same bloody thing!

I nearly tagged you in my post as you've made this point, and expanded on it, before

[CitizenVectron]

I was curious, so I did some digging:

• % of Canada as visible minorities: 23%
• % of Parliament as visible minorities: 15%

Not perfect, but it has risen by a few % each election, and is closing in on parity with the population. Not surprisingly, of the visible minorities in Parliament, the vast majority sit in the Liberal caucus. Another neat fact: Almost half of all minority MPs who have ever been elected are currently sitting in the House (the last 10 years has been huge).

 

We still have a ways to go with female representation, however:

• % of Canada as women: 50%
• % of Parliament as women: 29%

Again, not surprisingly, the Liberals lead this with 52 of the 98 women in Parliament sitting with them. 33% of their caucus are women. However, around 50% of the federal cabinet are women due to Trudeau's pledge for gender parity in leadership roles in 2015. This will hopefully continue to increase the number of women entering politics. Trudeau's deputy PM (Christia Freeland) is widely seen as his logical successor, as well. Though Canada has already had a female PM in the early-90s, she was a sacrificial goat and suffered the greatest electoral defeat of all time.

[SilentWorld]

It will be a dark day if Christia Freeland becomes PM. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Me, on Canadian politics here in this thread:

[CitizenVectron]

14 minutes ago, SilentWorld said:

It will be a dark day if Christia Freeland becomes PM. 

 

Why do you think that? I don't have any strong feelings on her either way, but I am curious.

[Dodger]

1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Why do you think that? I don't have any strong feelings on her either way, but I am curious.

 

You have your own fucking thread!

[Jason]

https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1285623854044454913/photo/3

[CitizenVectron]

14 minutes ago, Jason said:

https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1285623854044454913/photo/3

 

 

 

So is this him trying to remove undocumented residents from counting as people for the sake of seat apportionment? 

 

EDIT - Ah, yes it is:

 

If the constitution wanted to only count voters/citizens or residents, it would have said as much.

 

[CitizenVectron]

 

EDIT - Interestingly, Texas and Florida stand to potentially lose 2 and 1 seat, respectively. 

[mclumber1]

Places that rely on migrant labor for agriculture are often GOP districts anyways.  Wouldn't this end up hurting the Republicans?

[CayceG]

1 minute ago, mclumber1 said:

Places that rely on migrant labor for agriculture are often GOP districts anyways.  Wouldn't this end up hurting the Republicans?

 

It proves they're racist. It doesn't prove they're SMART.