mclumber1 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/02/politics/marco-rubio-ivanka-trump-paid-family-leave-bill/index.html Quote Sen. Marco Rubio plans to introduce a bill today that would allow new parents to finance their paid leave by drawing from their Social Security benefits early. The Florida Republican's bill -- Economic Security for New Parents Act -- would allow parents to use their future Social Security benefits to use for at least two months leave, which would then delay receiving their retirement benefits by three to six months when they retire. According to a summary from Rubio's office, the bill will allow the benefits to be transferable between parents and eligible for stay-at-home parents. I actually like this idea. Plus it would hopefully make young parents think twice about having more than a few kids, as it would delay their eventual social security checks by a year or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 This is horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: This is horrible. Fuck you it's awesome. And I don't even like Rubio! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 No this is fucking stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Man that seems stupid and financially dangerous. Too bad they can’t transfer to Canada and get a full year off with pay. Heck we are even allowed to split it 50/50 and have both parents get paid and take 6 months off each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Isn't this the opposite of paid leave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 The "Marco Rubio is a robot" jokes are old news. He is not a robot. He is a Bible Verse-a-Day desk calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Fuck Marco Rubio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I exist in a universe where Donald Fucking Trump is the President of the United States of America, and yet somehow this manages to be the single stupidest idea I've heard in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 This is the definition of making something future-you’s problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 37 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: Isn't this the opposite of paid leave? It's paid for with your social security earnings. So you're paying yourself, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: I exist in a universe where Donald Fucking Trump is the President of the United States of America, and somehow this manages to be the single stupidest idea I've heard in years. It's not stupid if your only goal is to make Social Security look bad to engineer a justification for getting rid of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 41 minutes ago, silentbob said: Man that seems stupid and financially dangerous. Too bad they can’t transfer to Canada and get a full year off with pay. Heck we are even allowed to split it 50/50 and have both parents get paid and take 6 months off each. Is Canada's system paid for with taxes or via your employer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I genuinely want the CBO to score this fiscal monstrosity of an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said: I genuinely want the CBO to score this fiscal monstrosity of an idea. I'd be interested in seeing the study too, and I support this idea. In theory I think it's great: Trade a few months of SS checks to cover lost wages after you have a baby, in exchange for putting off SS at retirement by 6 months. It's also optional. You don't have to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: It's also optional. You don't have to use it. I feel like it's pretty obvious that the main group of people who would use it are the people who would get the most fucked by it down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jason said: I feel like it's pretty obvious that the main group of people who would use it are the people who would get the most fucked by it down the line. Most will be deceased before they reach retirement age because of their opioid addiction, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 As @b_m_b_m_b_m said in the Discord server, Social Security IS the correct "mechanism" for paid paternal/maternal leave, but it needs to be PROPERLY FUNDED through TAXES. Which brings me back to my now standard mantra: ELIMINATE. THE. TAXABLE. SOCIAL. SECURITY. EARNINGS. CEILING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: As @b_m_b_m_b_m said in the Discord server, Social Security IS the correct "mechanism" for paid paternal/maternal leave, but it needs to be PROPERLY FUNDED through TAXES. Which brings me back to my now standard mantra: ELIMINATE. THE. TAXABLE. SOCIAL. SECURITY. EARNINGS. CEILING. ETTSEEC? You need to go back to acronym school, good sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Or we could just give people paid leave like a real-ass country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 3 hours ago, mclumber1 said: Is Canada's system paid for with taxes or via your employer? Taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 33 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: Or we could just give people paid leave like a real-ass country We aren't a real country. We are a pyramid scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Just now, thewhyteboar said: We aren't a real country. We are a pyramid scheme. Social Security is a pyramid scheme. Spoiler Spoiler trolling but also not trolling doe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 9 hours ago, Jason said: Social Security is a pyramid scheme. Hide contents Hide contents trolling but also not trolling doe Social security is not a pyramid scheme. It's a tontine. Get it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I like the idea of the Federal government covering leave rather than just mandating all employers to do so. The payroll tax still puts employers on the hook for some of it, and you can lift the cap on SS income to bolster up the program and have money for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 This is how every other developed country in the world is able to offer paid parental leave, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 13 hours ago, mclumber1 said: Is Canada's system paid for with taxes or via your employer? Taxes, you go on EI (same if you were off work due to short term disability) but it only pays a portion of your salary but some companies offer a top off for mat leave for x many weeks. Some companies will also offer paid time off for men but it’s usually only a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, chakoo said: Taxes, you go on EI (same if you were off work due to short term disability) but it only pays a portion of your salary but some companies offer a top off for mat leave for x many weeks. Some companies will also offer paid time off for men but it’s usually only a few weeks. I’m currently on light duties and work with someone else in stores. The first guy I worked with had just got back from his 6 months maternity leave. He didn’t make as much if he were working but said it wasn’t financially hurtful for him to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Well since millennials will never be able to retire what's the difference? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Well since millennials will never be able to retire what's the difference? Oh my trigger me timbers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 This is a horrible plan. That said, who actually counts SS as part of their retirement anymore? I'm more like "if I get it, it'll be a surprise little bonus." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: This is a horrible plan. That said, who actually counts SS as part of their retirement anymore? I'm more like "if I get it, it'll be a surprise little bonus." A whole lot of relatively poor people who can't afford to save for retirement and also live with some sort of dignity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: A whole lot of relatively poor people who can't afford to save for retirement and also live with some sort of dignity. I'm aware, but it Just shows how shitty our system is. There's no gaurentee of a SS for me by the time I retire. What people get nowadays is pathetically small. I just don't see how people can rely on that when the time comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I'm aware, but it Just shows how shitty our system is. There's no gaurentee of a SS for me by the time I retire. What people get nowadays is pathetically small. I just don't see how people can rely on that when the time comes. They may be able to if Congress finally fucking ETTSSEC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I'm aware, but it Just shows how shitty our system is. There's no gaurentee of a SS for me by the time I retire. What people get nowadays is pathetically small. I just don't see how people can rely on that when the time comes. It would be in great shape if we lifted the income cap on taxation. Even if no changes are made, it can give out 75% of current benefits for a long long time starting in the 2030s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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