Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 47 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: Who gives a shit about the data analysis of a subject they aren't qualified to analyze? I'd say that they're qualified to analyze the purely economic effects of the lockdowns, but they get on tenuous ground when they extrapolate into the political (undermining liberal democracy) realm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I'd say that they're qualified to analyze the purely economic effects of the lockdowns, but they get on tenuous ground when they extrapolate into the political (undermining liberal democracy) realm. Yes and thats what I said previously. CATO is shit but if he stays in his lane then its whatever. This however is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I'd say that they're qualified to analyze the purely economic effects of the lockdowns, but they get on tenuous ground when they extrapolate into the political (undermining liberal democracy) realm. It is worth noting that the paper is meta-analysis of lots of other papers by experts in the relevant fields, and a cost-benefit analysis of those findings. This is why I was saying you can acknowledge the analysis of the data as sound and still disagree with the conclusions drawn from that. I think this is particularly true when applying cost-benefit to lives lost because everybody has a different set of values when it comes to how much death (or maybe suffering more generally) we are willing to tolerate for the benefits that we get on the other end. And make no mistake, everybody tolerates some level of suffering in others for their own personal benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Surely the economists don’t have an economic incentive to push the agenda of institutions that employ them which routinely, as a matter of ideology, oppose the idea of lockdowns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Surely the economists don’t have an economic incentive to push the agenda of institutions that employ them which routinely, as a matter of ideology, oppose the idea of lockdowns Once again, you don’t have to agree with the conclusion (lockdowns are bad) even if you agreed with the soundness of the data analysis. But ignoring data because you disagree with the conclusion a researcher draws is a great way to not learn new things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 these aren’t good faith actors and you don’t in fact have to treat them as such. If you wanted to you could take a look at why certain studies were excluded and why a particular mode of meta analysis was chosen because it could easily be that they’re drinking from the proverbial poisoned well (because they’re not good faith actors I feel like this is a good assumption). Like why only analyze mortality given what we know about who is most susceptible to dieing and not look at hospitalizations and how hospitals were nearly on the brink of collapse at the beginning of the pandemic (not that things are much better now mind you)? Or why to exclude studies that show major benefits to lockdowns because of their mode of analysis? what you exclude is just as important as what you include. The choices they made and what they included or excluded are what I would fiddle with if I were shilling for my ideological fellow travelers and those paying us. And if I wrote for the national fucking review or Cato or AIER or all of the above it is what I would do too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 The study is dumb. The study itself willingly excludes all forecasting data and any other studies that compare the effectiveness of lockdowns based on their timing, that is if they came early enough or were too late. I don't see how any good data can be found if you exclude all data about what epidemiologists everywhere thought mortality rates would be without any lockdowns or any data attempting to determine the difference between a well timed lockdown and a poorly timed one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I will be getting my little one the shot asap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I will be getting my little one the shot asap I remember when the FDA wasn't looking at mix-and-match and the justification was "well nobody's submitting these studies and the FDA can't just solicit submissions". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuperSpreader Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Wow RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Oh look he’s going to be cancelled for his conservative views 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Not really a fan of his but I do appreciate his lengthy interview with James Hetfield on how to get into raising bees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I long for the day that there is a reckoning for Toe Rogan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Good time to pick up a lightly used Dodge Charger. Army to immediately start discharging vaccine refusers | AP News APNEWS.COM WASHINGTON (AP) — The Army said Wednesday it will immediately begin discharging soldiers who have refused to get the mandatory COVID-19 vaccine , putting more than 3,300 service... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subzwari1987 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Jason said: Good time to pick up a lightly used Dodge Charger. Army to immediately start discharging vaccine refusers | AP News APNEWS.COM WASHINGTON (AP) — The Army said Wednesday it will immediately begin discharging soldiers who have refused to get the mandatory COVID-19 vaccine , putting more than 3,300 service... In today’s market, those used Chargers are selling for more than a new Charger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I have a black dad and white mom and never thought of it that way. What a brilliant man! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: I have a black dad and white mom and never thought of it that way. What a brilliant man! We have the best of the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 L.A. Mayor Garcetti Says He Held His Breath For Maskless Photo With Magic Johnson DEADLINE.COM Los Angeles Mayor Garcetti Says He Held His Breath For Maskless Photo With Magic Johnson At Rams-49ers Game On Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Absolute fucking idiots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Cancel the rock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Just now, SuperSpreader said: Cancel the rock! Didn't he cancel himself when he ragequit D1P? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 My province just announced it's ending both PCR testing and updates on all other metrics (hospitalization, etc). Not a surprise, we have an incredibly shitty premier who is supporting the protests in Ottawa. Oh, also today we have the highest hospitalizations in history and deaths are also rising. But...not if they stop reporting it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: My province just announced it's ending both PCR testing and updates on all other metrics (hospitalization, etc). Not a surprise, we have an incredibly shitty premier who is supporting the protests in Ottawa. Oh, also today we have the highest hospitalizations in history and deaths are also rising. But...not if they stop reporting it! ...you can't get tested anymore??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Jason said: WTF is going on here? Who is this woman he's replying to, and why is he replying to her. Hell it's not even a reply, he just tagged her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Brick said: WTF is going on here? Who is this woman he's replying to, and why is he replying to her. Hell it's not even a reply, he just tagged her. I think the Rock said something in support of Rogan, and this woman has been replying to a bunch of his tweets, so he tagged her in that tweet…or something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, Jason said: ...you can't get tested anymore??? They will only allow people who are extremely vulnerable to be tested (diabetes, very old, etc), and only by appointment. Otherwise if you want a test you will have to pay one of the two companies (with government ties) $200 per test. It's a transparent move (along with others in the past few years) to introduce privatization to our provincial healthcare system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, Brick said: WTF is going on here? Who is this woman he's replying to, and why is he replying to her. Hell it's not even a reply, he just tagged her. She's a conservative journalist/pundit of the Justin Amash, never Trump variety. Seems she was calling out Johnson for defending Rogan and/or accepting his non-apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 It's gotten to the point where my wife and I don't want to live here anymore. Our province has seen consistent brain drain for 50+ years, and has slowly turned from being the first place in North America with a socialist government to being the most backwards place in Canada. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 41 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: It's gotten to the point where my wife and I don't want to live here anymore. Our province has seen consistent brain drain for 50+ years, and has slowly turned from being the first place in North America with a socialist government to being the most backwards place in Canada. From Michigan, I feel you bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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