CitizenVectron Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/new-drug-curbs-delusions-in-parkinson-s-and-alzheimer-s-patients-study-1.4716005 Quote SAN DIEGO -- A drug that curbs delusions in Parkinson's patients did the same for people with Alzheimer's disease and other forms of dementia in a study that was stopped early because the benefit seemed clear. If regulators agree, the drug could become the first treatment specifically for dementia-related psychosis and the first new medicine for Alzheimer's in nearly two decades. It targets some of the most troubling symptoms that patients and caregivers face -- hallucinations that often lead to anxiety, aggression, and physical and verbal abuse. Quote The drug is pimavanserin, a daily pill sold as Nuplazid by Acadia Pharmaceuticals Inc. It was approved for Parkinson's-related psychosis in 2016 and is thought to work by blocking a brain chemical that seems to spur delusions. Quote He consults for Acadia and helped lead the study, which included about 400 people with dementia and psychosis. All were given a low dose of the drug for three months, and those who seemed to respond or benefit were then split into two groups. Half continued on the drug and the others were given dummy pills for six months or until they had a relapse or worsening of symptoms. Neither the patients nor their doctors knew who was getting what. Independent monitors stopped the study when they saw that those on dummy pills were more than twice as likely as those on the drug to relapse or worsen -- 28% versus nearly 13%. Quote There were relatively few serious side effects -- 5% in the drug group and 4% in the others. Headaches and urinary tract infections were more common among those on the drug. Huge news. Not a cure, but will provide big symptomatic relief for one of the worst parts of the disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Wow! That's truly something provided the side effects aren't their own batch of terrible new realities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 It will be great when only rich people can afford the pills! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Over or under 100$ a pill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Can our President get on this drug asap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Can our President get on this drug asap? Hopefully it is a suppository for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Can our President get on this drug asap? You want him to be MORE powerful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Over or under 100$ a pill. Missing a few 0's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I sincerely hope this works. Fuck this godawful disease. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Missing a few 0's $10.0000000? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: $10.0000000? I'm going to need to see some receipts for those sigfigs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Over or under 100$ a pill. haha way over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Can our President get on this drug asap? Side effect is it makes you hate brown people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 I would guess they price it around $100,000 a year, which would put it at $273 a pill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoidHater Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said: Over or under 100$ a pill. WAY over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I'll start saving up now and maybe I can afford a couple of pills by the time I get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoidHater Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Chairslinger said: I'll start saving up now and maybe I can afford a couple of pills by the time I get it. Narrator: "he won't" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: I'll start saving up now and maybe I can afford a couple of pills by the time I get it. 1 minute ago, TyphoidHater said: Narrator: "he won't" Or maybe he will, but he'll have forgotten why he was saving the money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 hours ago, PaladinSolo said: Over or under 100$ a pill. Oh my sweet summer child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: I would guess they price it around $100,000 a year, which would put it at $273 a pill. The pricing model will be interesting since they can argue those on the drug are less likely to need memory care. That's how Novartis justified $2.1m for Zolgensma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: You want him to be MORE powerful? It won’t increase his IQ, bruh. Just get rid of his delusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Too late for grandma but woot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 The drug already exists in stores. It’s about $15 a pill on most insurance plans, $100 a pill cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: The drug already exists in stores. It’s about $15 a pill on most insurance plans, $100 a pill cash. Yo y u gotta kill the thread's vibe bro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jose said: Yo y u gotta kill the thread's vibe bro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 hours ago, sblfilms said: The drug already exists in stores. It’s about $15 a pill on most insurance plans, $100 a pill cash. Remember when insulin and EpiPens didn't break the bank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 22 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Remember when insulin and EpiPens didn't break the bank? Not cool, bro Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Spork3245 said: It won’t increase his IQ, bruh. Just get rid of his delusions. They're the only thing holding him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 hours ago, 2user1cup said: Side effect is it makes you hate brown people So he was a participant in the clinical trials?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Shit. I mean good and all, but I’m not looking forward to a coherent Donald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 hours ago, sblfilms said: The drug already exists in stores. It’s about $15 a pill on most insurance plans, $100 a pill cash. Unfortunately, this will likely change. The example I always use is Campath, which was a drug used to treat a small number of cancer patients. It was priced at around $100,000 for a cancer dose. It was discovered that it also worked for MS (killing immune system), and it started to be prescribed off-label. The key thing is that only 5% of the dose was needed, meaning there was a treatment for MS that could be taken for $5,000/yr (only two doses ever needed). So what happened? The company pulled the drug from the market and re-introduced a new dosage under a new name (Lemtrada)...and it was now $100,000 per dose. I expect the same thing will be done here, if they believe this is a bigger market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Remember when insulin and EpiPens didn't break the bank? Old insulin types have been and remain very cheap ($20ish cash a month for a typical monthly dosage). I don’t think any of the more common new insulins have gone up in price much beyond inflation this decade. People like the new insulins more because you don’t really have to watch what you eat 7 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Unfortunately, this will likely change. The example I always use is Campath, which was a drug used to treat a small number of cancer patients. It was priced at around $100,000 for a cancer dose. It was discovered that it also worked for MS (killing immune system), and it started to be prescribed off-label. The key thing is that only 5% of the dose was needed, meaning there was a treatment for MS that could be taken for $5,000/yr (only two doses ever needed). So what happened? The company pulled the drug from the market and re-introduced a new dosage under a new name (Lemtrada)...and it was now $100,000 per dose. I expect the same thing will be done here, if they believe this is a bigger market. This isn’t what is happening with the drug in question from what I’ve seen, and your example isn’t the norm. There are tons of drugs in the market that get used for one purpose and then retrofitted for another under a different name, and some that just get recertified for a larger patient set under the same name. Like with me I have a really rare form of diabetes and take a medication that turns out really helps with weight loss. They sell it under a different name (and higher dosages) for weight loss patients. It actually costs the same per mL for the diabetes version and the weight loss version. Not all drug companies take the most cynical of routes with every drug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: Old insulin types have been and remain very cheap ($20ish cash a month for a typical monthly dosage). I don’t think any of the more common new insulins have gone up in price much beyond inflation this decade. Quote By 2016, the average price per month rose to $450 — and costs continue to rise, so much so that as many as one in four people with diabetes are now skimping on or skipping lifesaving doses. Quote According to a 2017 Lancet paper on insulin price increases, “Older insulins have been successively replaced with newer, incrementally improved products covered by numerous additional patents.” The result is that more than 90 percent of privately insured patients with Type 2 diabetes in America are prescribed the latest and costliest versions of insulin. https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive C'mon man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 43 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive C'mon man That isn’t a refutation of what I said. The big price increases happened in the previous decade as the synthetic drugs became the favored therapy for diabetes because the new insulin reacts nearly instantly, so you can take just what you need for how much carbs/sugar you consumed. This decade there hasn’t been the massive uptick in pricing, and the older insulins continue to fall in price. People just don’t like them because diet restrictions are tighter. Nobody is off insulin because they can’t afford any insulin at all, they ration the newer stuff because they don’t want to change their diets and use older insulins. We need the synthetics to get cheaper though! They are about $50/month on most insurance plans, but $500/month cash and health outcomes are better with synthetic insulins because people are generally lacking the discipline to eat a diet that lowers their carb intake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Dementia runs on both sides of my family. I will keep my fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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