SaysWho? Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 https://abcnews.go.com/US/amber-guyger-convicted-murder-wrong-apartment-killing-innocent/story?id=65978073 Quote A Texas jury rejected former Dallas police officer Amber Guyer's self-defense claims and convicted her on Tuesday of murder in the fatal 2018 shooting of an innocent man eating ice cream in his own home after mistaking his apartment for her own. The 12-member jury reached its verdict deliberating for less than two days. Guyger stood and stared at the panel as the jury foreperson read the guilty verdict. The family members of Botham Jean, the neighbor Guyger shot to death on Sept. 6, 2018, burst into tears as the jury granted them a measure of justice. The 31-year-old Guyger, who was fired from the Dallas Police Department days after the shooting, faces a prison sentence of five to 99 years. Quote The jury came to its decision after asking for clarification on the definition of manslaughter and a clearer explanation of the Castle Doctrine, a legal protection for a homeowner who uses deadly force inside their home against an intruder. Guyger's defense team attempted to use the Castle Doctrine, which is similar to Florida's "stand your ground" law, as a defense, arguing that while she was in the wrong apartment, in her mind she believed she was in her own unit, which was a floor below Jean's. The prosecution countered that the Castle Doctrine did not apply in the case. Assistant District Attorney Jason Hermus waves a photo of Botham Jean at the jury as he presents his closing arguments in Amber Guyger's murder trial in Dallas, Texas, Sept. 30, 2019. Former Dallas police officer Amber Guyger appears at the Frank Crowley Courts Building in Dallas, Texas, Sept. 28, 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Quote Assistant District Attorney Jason Hermus dramatically eats a photo of Botham Jean at the jury as he presents his closing arguments in Amber Guyger's murder trial in Dallas, Texas, Sept. 30, 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/amber-guyger-testimony.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I’m very happy with the outcome of this. I was kind of expecting her to get off and riots would start in the streets. Happy to see that the jury got it right for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I'm honestly a bit positively shocked that this case ended up going this way from what I've seen. That would've been a seemingly horrible precedent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Always good to see a cop get convicted when the facts of a case are so plain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Will Trump pardon to rally Blue Lives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Glad to see justice actually happen for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 You're never more content than when you're sitting at home eating a bowl of ice cream. He was happy, he was relaxed. Then someone burst through his door and shot him. This is justice. No ice cream shall be eaten in fear ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Oh good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxick Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Glad to hear justice was served for once. There is no excuse for what she did and she deserved to be charged with murder for taking an innocent man's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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silentbob Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 7 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Although Jordan could provide tears with his crying. She could only scrunch up and get red in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 She got sentenced to 10 years and apparently could be out in 5 with parole. https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-County-Jury-to-Decide-Punishment-for-Convicted-Murderer-Amber-Guyger-561939951.html Seems like a lax sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Wasn’t this a first degree murder charge? Isn’t that a 25 to Life sentence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, silentbob said: Wasn’t this a first degree murder charge? Isn’t that a 25 to Life sentence? Think it's manslaughter. This wasn't premeditated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, SaysWho? said: Think it's manslaughter. This wasn't premeditated. She was convicted of murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: She was convicted of murder. I can't imagine this was first degree, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, SaysWho? said: I can't imagine this was first degree, though. I doubt it, but there's still a difference between a murder conviction and manslaughter. The jury rejected manslaughter, that was mentioned in all the articles yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I doubt it, but there's still a difference between a murder conviction and manslaughter. The jury rejected manslaughter, that was mentioned in all the articles yesterday. Gotcha. Anyway, just saw this: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 That was pretty emotional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Not thinking about the specifics of this case: how long should murderers be put in prison? And I know there's a sliding scale with this kind of stuff so let's just say first-degree murder. How long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Not thinking about the specifics of this case: how long should murderers be put in prison? And I know there's a sliding scale with this kind of stuff so let's just say first-degree murder. How long? I figure it needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis. Some people will never be rehabilitated. I actually don't mind Norway's method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Objectively speaking the sentence seems fine to me; the unfairness is with a system that leaves ANY punishment in doubt and disproportionately punishes women and poc. Not her specific sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link200 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 3 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I doubt it, but there's still a difference between a murder conviction and manslaughter. The jury rejected manslaughter, that was mentioned in all the articles yesterday. Depending on the state murder can also have different levels with differing requirements. Texas actually does not have a "second degree" of murder and it looks like it needs intent per the 5 minutes of googling I have done. Apparently the jury believed she intended to cause harm hence the murder conviction rather that manslaughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Link200 said: Depending on the state murder can also have different levels with differing requirements. Texas actually does not have a "second degree" of murder and it looks like it needs intent per the 5 minutes of googling I have done. Apparently the jury believed she intended to cause harm hence the murder conviction rather that manslaughter. Yeah, I was reading something to that effect. In her testimony she admitted to shooting to kill him, so intent was there. There's just no evidence she planned it out, which would explain the lighter sentence. Not familiar with Texas law, but I figure it's on par with second degree murder in most places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Why the fuck did the JUDGE hug her? That is what is fucking crazy to me. I have no idea how she only got 10 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Didn’t introduce texts and social media posts that made her appear racist and like she had a mindset that she should or could shoot whoever she wanted? I mean in a penal system actually built to reform a person, 10 years may be plenty long enough. But in out penal system, we’ll be lucky if she doesn’t come right out of prison and immediately shoot the first person she sees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, johnny said: Why the fuck did the JUDGE hug her? That is what is fucking crazy to me. I have no idea how she only got 10 years The judge hugged her too?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jose said: The judge hugged her too?! And then pulled out a bible and started ministering to her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, Jason said: And then pulled out a bible and started ministering to her. Lol I think Johnny misread the other post, but you never know. This is America, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 40 minutes ago, Jose said: Lol I think Johnny misread the other post, but you never know. This is America, after all. What Jason and I said actually happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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