TwinIon Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I was trying to imagine what kind of privacy scandal would need to happen in order for public sentiment to change on this issue, and there isn't much that comes to mind. While I personally don't use TikTok, I think it would be a mistake for the Dems to let this go through, absent some kind of actual smoking gun that could change public perception. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 as a teacher, am not a fan of tiktok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, TwinIon said: I was trying to imagine what kind of privacy scandal would need to happen in order for public sentiment to change on this issue, and there isn't much that comes to mind. While I personally don't use TikTok, I think it would be a mistake for the Dems to let this go through, absent some kind of actual smoking gun that could change public perception. It would be fine if it was turned into a general social media privacy law and not just specifically banning TikTok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, Jason said: It would be fine if it was turned into a general social media privacy law and not just specifically banning TikTok. But that would hurt, and not help, the significant stock holdings many congress members have in meta and alphabet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Don’t let people in the military or intelligence sphere use TikTok. Otherwise who gives a fuck. It’s just another extension of American monopolization of global culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Is TikTok getting any more data than what the Chinese government just couldn't buy from data brokers? I mean our own FBI decided it didn't have to bother with a warrant and just purchased location data. This stuff specifically targeting TikTok should have stopped with not allowing it on government phones, the rest of the effort should have gone into privacy and data handling regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I love how the majority of congressional questions were along the lines of... "Is it true that Tik Tok is doing the exact same thing that every single social media app does?" "Uh, Yes" "OMG!" Facebook is 10 times creepier and shady and ripe for abuse than Tik Tok is. Not that some sort of government oversight isn't needed... but what we really need is some sort of grand sweeping privacy protection that covers everything and is written for the modern age... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Jason said: It would be fine if it was turned into a general social media privacy law and not just specifically banning TikTok. I finally bothered to read most of the bill, and as far as I can tell, this bill doesn't have anything to do with privacy, it just provides congress with a way to ban any tech product from a "foreign adversary". The executive branch can already block whole companies by putting them on the entities list, so it really is just about giving congress a way to ban tech they don't like from certain countries. The criteria for allowing some kind of "intervention" (read: ban) is really broad and just requires someone to determine there is an "undue risk" something bad, all of which seems like it's probably already illegal if you could prove they actually do any of this stuff. I'd be kinda shocked if we don't already have laws that would prohibit China from selling anything over here that would fall under sabotage, catastrophic effects on critical infrastructure, election interference, or risks to national security. I'd argue that it shouldn't matter what country something is from if we think they're trying to do any of those things. On the other hand, I also think that if the risk is so dire, you should probably be able to make a good case. Seems like this bill is just lowering the threshold on those things low enough that you can pass the extremely vague threat that TikTok supposedly presents under it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 On 3/24/2023 at 11:51 AM, finaljedi said: Is TikTok getting any more data than what the Chinese government just couldn't buy from data brokers? I mean our own FBI decided it didn't have to bother with a warrant and just purchased location data. This stuff specifically targeting TikTok should have stopped with not allowing it on government phones, the rest of the effort should have gone into privacy and data handling regulations. Even if the answer is no, they'd be removing the middle man and be getting that information more efficiently and affordably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unogueen Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Exactly how little faith do you have in your public utility that so many believe that China is about to inherit the divine right of kings and somehow magically turn the world into whatever flavour of dystopia you prefer. It's fitting how a consumption based world like ours default to punitive actions whenever any public relationship goes sour, whether nationstates, or banks, or schools, etc. What the fuck skulduggery do random individuals fear so much? Guano town is still around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Montana becomes the first state to ban TikTok WWW.NPR.ORG Gov. Greg Gianforte banned the app on state government electronic devices last December, and has said he is concerned about people's user data being compromised by the Chinese government. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Imagine wanting to ban TikTok. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Imagine wanting to ban TikTok. Lmao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 The House and the Senate have now passed the bill, leaving only Biden's signature (which he pledged to give). Obviously ByteDance will sue, but my guess is that this time they lose. After which they'll probably just need to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I know the end result of this will be TikTok just selling to another company and nothing really changes (right away) but this is such an own goal for Biden. Does he think signing a bill banning the most popular social media app with young people is going to win him any good will? I can't imagine a person who wasn't going to vote for Biden choosing to vote for him because of this... but I sure as shit can imagine a shit ton of people who may have voted for him choosing not to because of this. My TikTok feed is full of people freaking out about this. It's just gonna get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 5 minutes ago, TwinIon said: The House and the Senate have now passed the bill, leaving only Biden's signature (which he pledged to give). He signed the bill an hour ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Tweens in shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 50 minutes ago, ort said: I know the end result of this will be TikTok just selling to another company and nothing really changes (right away) but this is such an own goal for Biden. Does he think signing a bill banning the most popular social media app with young people is going to win him any good will? I can't imagine a person who wasn't going to vote for Biden choosing to vote for him because of this... but I sure as shit can imagine a shit ton of people who may have voted for him choosing not to because of this. My TikTok feed is full of people freaking out about this. It's just gonna get worse. I guess we'll see for sure, but I'm dubious on the effect this will actually have. Assuming Bytedance loses their lawsuit and for whatever reason they refuse to divest, that wouldn't even happen before the election. So no one's TikTok will go away before they actually vote. I suppose if TikTok is actually any good at influencing voters, that capability could be put to the test in the following months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I always find it funny when they show me anti-capitalism stuff... not that that would be completely out of my wheelhouse.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Imagine wanting to deprive us of this content. @TUFKAK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Wish I was short Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, TUFKAK said: Wish I was short Also get to live longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 9 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Also get to live longer. That ship is long sunk, I’ll be shocked to make 60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 5 hours ago, ort said: I always find it funny when they show me anti-capitalism stuff... not that that would be completely out of my wheelhouse.. I see lots of Christian homestead brainwashed people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 12 minutes ago, TUFKAK said: That ship is long sunk, I’ll be shocked to make 60. Same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: This is the video it went to next 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, Air_Delivery said: This is the video it went to next Guys are fucking losers I swear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 On 4/26/2024 at 6:04 AM, Air_Delivery said: This is the video it went to next I’m glad Tik Tok might have to shut down, these ladies can all just go to Instagram so I can follow them all in one place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Universal Music Group and TikTok Announce New Licensing Agreement - UMG WWW.UNIVERSALMUSIC.COM Universal Music Group and TikTok Announce New Licensing Agreement Los Angeles, May 01, 2024 – Universal Music Group, the world-leader in music-based entertainment and TikTok today announce a new multi-dimensional licensing agreement that will deliver significant industry-leading benefits for UMG’s global family of artists, songwriters and labels and will return their music to TikTok’s billion-plus global... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Biden will lose if he deprives us of this content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 As expected, TikTok is suing to stop the law from going into effect. I'm no lawyer or expert, but I don't think they have a great case here. It seems like the real thrust of their case is that divestiture is impossible, therefore this is a ban, therefore it's unconstitutional. The logic of banning a specific speech platform being unconstitutional could hold up, but it's very dependent on proving that this is an outright ban. The first argument put forward that this is a ban is that a US based TikTok wouldn't be commercially viable, which seems laughable on the face of it. The argument seems to be that this would isolate US TikTok and it would therefore lose it's appeal, but that feels like it falls apart really fast. I don't imagine there would be a limit on US TikTok operating in those other countries, but even it it does it's hard to deny that a business with 170M users is potentially viable. I don't really buy the technical arguments either. Yeah, it might be difficult, but it seems far from impossible for a Microsoft or someone to figure out how to operate TikTok if they needed to. The US is already home to basically every tech company that could potentially afford TikTok as well as the social networks that currently surpass TikTok in users. The idea that the Chinese wouldn't let the source code go is an interesting argument, but it also kind of feels like it falls into the category of "not my problem." The Chinese government pushing back against this sale only reaffirms the position that they're either in control of the platform or benefit from it, both cases that would further justify this law (as far as congress is concerned). There's also the issue that it's perfectly plausibe that TikTok survives despite all these challenges. They need to prove that this is an absolute ban in order to make this a first amendment case. All of their arguments amount more to "TikTok might be harder to run" or "TikTok might make much less money" or basically "TikTok might not as wildly successful" none of which equate to a ban. An isolated US TikTok that is run by engineers that are unfamiliar with the code and without the recommendation algorithm might not be the same mega-hit that it currently is, but it could still exist, and potential existence means it isn't a ban. It's like a car company arguing that saftey or emissions laws are too strict and that they wouldn't be able to profitably sell their car in the US. There are a ton of regulations in this country that make it so that plenty of car companies can't be profitable here, but they're not banned from the US. TikTok is essentially arguing that a far lesser set of regulations is equal to an unconstitutional ban, and I just don't see it working out for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 TikTok global is worth less than TikTok us, user numbers be damned, because US consumers of the “product” are on average far wealthier than in other countries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted Wednesday at 04:49 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:49 PM 'Shark Tank' star Kevin O'Leary said he wants to crowdfund buying TikTok WWW.BUSINESSINSIDER.COM O'Leary said he wants to "democratize" the platform and protect user data from "foreign adversaries." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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