mclumber1 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 The GOP will refuse to follow suit to own the libs, but will end up playing themselves. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: The GOP will refuse to follow suit to own the libs, but will end up playing themselves. Or the state will take it to SCOTUS who will rule that cities are only legal constructions allowed by the states, so the state can overrule this and stop it. OR Trump shuts down the USPS in October over funding issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Or the state will take it to SCOTUS who will rule that cities are only legal constructions allowed by the states, so the state can overrule this and stop it. OR Trump shuts down the USPS in October over funding issues. Yeah, you're probably right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Wisconsin has a Dem governor, how they gonna stop it, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 minute ago, PaladinSolo said: Wisconsin has a Dem governor, how they gonna stop it, lol. Courts, private suits by the legislature or affected citizens/citizen groups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Courts, private suits by the legislature or affected citizens/citizen groups Be interesting to hear how people were negatively impacted cause a city decided to mail them an application for absentee voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Wisconsin has a Dem governor, how they gonna stop it, lol. https://www.npr.org/2019/06/21/734722467/wisconsin-supreme-court-sides-with-gop-lawmakers-to-limit-democratic-governors-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jason said: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/21/734722467/wisconsin-supreme-court-sides-with-gop-lawmakers-to-limit-democratic-governors-p Right, these laws were passed before he was governor, and don't affect his Veto power, and they don't have 2/3s majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Be interesting to hear how people were negatively impacted cause a city decided to mail them an application for absentee voting. They will argue that the postage paid on the ballots will cause the city/state to go further into debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: They will argue that the postage paid on the ballots will cause the city/state to go further into debt. Could you imagine the onslaught of cases if this was affirmed, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Be interesting to hear how people were negatively impacted cause a city decided to mail them an application for absentee voting. they would be citizens who are concerned that the cities are doing things that the state has not permitted. Doesn't really matter what the standing is, there's gonna be a bullshit reason that the GOP state supreme court or the GOP infected federal courts will latch onto. It's not always logical when they're just going for raw power grabs using the pretense of legalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Could you imagine the onslaught of cases if this was affirmed, lol. But can you imagine the amount of money GOP donors could make if their party held onto power for another 4 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: But can you imagine the amount of money GOP donors could make if their party held onto power for another 4 years? I mean they'd be saying that the billions of dollars invested into Foxconn is now void cause it causes the debt to increase, tax cuts ect... It'd be such a monumental own goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 I feel like I don't understand the GOP's issue with mail in voting. The math doesn't seem to support the idea that it helps one party more than the other. Are they just scared that it opens the door to other voting reforms or limits the impact of their other voter suppression initiatives, or is this just a matter of blindly following the President's lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Who would have the Kushbot was a psychopath: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 More liberal than Joe Biden in all the important areas: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 What's even the difference between vote by mail and absentee balloting? People already vote by mail, and honestly I don't see why we even bother going to the polls. We should all just be mailing in our ballots instead of fretting over what day of the week elections should be, if it should be some sort of holiday or whatever. Just mail everyone a ballot and let them mail it back. We still have a post office until Trump cancels it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dodger said: What's even the difference between vote by mail and absentee balloting? People already vote by mail, and honestly I don't see why we even bother going to the polls. We should all just be mailing in our ballots instead of fretting over what day of the week elections should be, if it should be some sort of holiday or whatever. Just mail everyone a ballot and let them mail it back. We still have a post office until Trump cancels it. There is no big deal, and in fact it makes voting easier. I think the GOP opposes it because it would do exactly that—make voting easier, and that (theoretically) hurts them. However, research has been iffy on if that is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Just now, CitizenVectron said: There is no big deal, and in fact it makes voting easier. I think the GOP opposes it because it would do exactly that—make voting easier, and that (theoretically) hurts them. However, research has been iffy on if that is true. I thought I saw before that Absentee ballots favor the GOP since they mostly come from rural/conservative areas. And lets be honest, mail is an old people thing, Republicans should be all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: There is no big deal, and in fact it makes voting easier. I think the GOP opposes it because it would do exactly that—make voting easier, and that (theoretically) hurts them. However, research has been iffy on if that is true. Vote by mail increases turnout, and increased turnout is usually bad for the GOP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, Dodger said: I thought I saw before that Absentee ballots favor the GOP since they mostly come from rural/conservative areas. And lets be honest, mail is an old people thing, Republicans should be all over it. It also increases turnout in urban areas for people who can't get in to vote due to work, public transit, etc. These groups are normally the ones suppressed by GOP efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kal-El814 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jason said: Jesus fucking Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jason said: I agree, blue states should stop bailing out red states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 37 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: There is no big deal, and in fact it makes voting easier. I think the GOP opposes it because it would do exactly that—make voting easier, and that (theoretically) hurts them. However, research has been iffy on if that is true. By mail would by pass some of the GOP’s prizes voter suppression measures. Like reduced hours for polling places. It would make it easier for the people who don’t vote GOP to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, Jason said: Take a second to appreciate just how similar a play Trump is now running on blue states that he played with Puerto Rico. The coronovirus is no longer a serious threat, it is merely am excuse for the mouchers. Just like Maria was for Puerto Rico. I am not as critical of Pelosi and Dems on their negotiations as some on the left, but they better hold out for anything they really want in this next bill because it will almost certainly be the last one before at least the election. There wouldn't even be another bill except that shielding companies from liability is a pretty important cog in their plan to force people back to work with all the risk put on the workers and none assumed by the rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: So... Blue States shouldn't "bail out" red states when they get hit by multiple hurricanes and storms every year? And what does any of this stuff have to do with the Pandemic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: And what does any of this stuff have to do with the Pandemic? It has to do with it in the same way that missing cash has to do with a lost and found wallet. Everyone takes advantage of a situation (is what Trump and associates think), so why not take advantage of this one in a big way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Dodger said: I thought I saw before that Absentee ballots favor the GOP since they mostly come from rural/conservative areas. And lets be honest, mail is an old people thing, Republicans should be all over it. You have to request an absentee ballot, fill out the form and send it in or whatever. If all anyone had to do was fill in some bubbles on a form and drop it off on the way to work or stick it back in their own mailbox then I imagine turnout would be higher across the board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, finaljedi said: You have to request an absentee ballot, fill out the form and send it in or whatever. If all anyone had to do was fill in some bubbles on a form and drop it off on the way to work or stick it back in their own mailbox then I imagine turnout would be higher across the board I want to say that when I moved to Arizona after I switched over my drivers license they gave me the voter registration form and all I literally had to do was check a box to receive a permanent ballot by mail, which I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 2 hours ago, PaladinSolo said: You mean the Biden staying quiet strategy might be working? No way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 It turns out that the US has gotten so partisan that you don't even have to campaign anymore. Just say "I am not the other guy," and something like 40%+ of the country will support you automatically, and another 15% can swing your way if they really don't like the other party at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted May 6, 2020 Author Share Posted May 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: It turns out that the US has gotten so partisan that you don't even have to campaign anymore. Yeah, we probably shouldn't say that after 2016. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 48 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: It turns out that the US has gotten so partisan that you don't even have to campaign anymore. Just say "I am not the other guy," and something like 40%+ of the country will support you automatically, and another 15% can swing your way if they really don't like the other party at the moment. I wouldn't go this far, but ATM the most effective strategy is to let Trump fall all over himself. Biden's polling lead has also increased recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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