thewhyteboar Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Oh for fuck’s sake, the projection is strong: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 In b4 local GOP court or senate rules this illegal and tyranny: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Normal, and I can't wait until SCOTUS upholds it as legal. "If the President deems behavior as illegal, they can withhold funding for other things as retaliation." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mclumber1 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: Normal, and I can't wait until SCOTUS upholds it as legal. "If the President deems behavior as illegal, they can withhold funding for other things as retaliation." Whoever uses any part of any appropriation made by Congress for work relief, relief, or for increasing employment by providing loans and grants for public-works projects, or exercises or administers any authority conferred by any Appropriation Act for the purpose of interfering with, restraining, or coercing any individual in the exercise of his right to vote at any election, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Threatening Nevada now, too: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Something I've been seeing in polls the last month is that pollsters are starting to track "double-haters" at greater rates. This group of people hate both candidates. In 2016 this group went for Trump by huge margins, but right now is breaking to Biden (by something like 90 to 10). Very interesting that both this election and the last election will likely be decided as a "both candidates suck, which sucks less?" decision, rather than one of motivation and inspiration. Will the US ever return to inspirational politics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Will the US ever return to inspirational politics? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Federal judge says Texas voters can apply to vote by mail due to pandemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, SlipperySlope said: lol Señor cara de negro no te inspira, guey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jose said: Señor cara de negro no te inspira, guey? Obama? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, SlipperySlope said: Obama? El del norte, carnal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, thewhyteboar said: Merkley is pretty safe, but yeah, well done to my fellow Oregonians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/19/biden-vice-president-latino-leaders-261305 Oh baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 It boggles my mind how campaigns can put almost no effort into going after certain segments of the population. I understand that some will be weaker than others in certain areas, but it sounds like Biden's team hasn't even tried any outreach to Latino groups, similar to how Clinton did almost nothing for rural white pro-labour voters. I get that they think they have a winning coalition with other groups (educated white + black, or whatever), but why not at least bring some people on and try? As the last election has shown, you can win or lose key states by very small margins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, CitizenVectron said: It boggles my mind how campaigns can put almost no effort into going after certain segments of the population. I understand that some will be weaker than others in certain areas, but it sounds like Biden's team hasn't even tried any outreach to Latino groups, similar to how Clinton did almost nothing for rural white pro-labour voters. I get that they think they have a winning coalition with other groups (educated white + black, or whatever), but why not at least bring some people on and try? As the last election has shown, you can win or lose key states by very small margins. I mean if he's vetting Lujan Grisham, he's at least taking it somewhat seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Jose said: El del norte, carnal. O jaja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 6 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Something I've been seeing in polls the last month is that pollsters are starting to track "double-haters" at greater rates. This group of people hate both candidates. In 2016 this group went for Trump by huge margins, but right now is breaking to Biden (by something like 90 to 10). Very interesting that both this election and the last election will likely be decided as a "both candidates suck, which sucks less?" decision, rather than one of motivation and inspiration. Will the US ever return to inspirational politics? I mean... yeah, lol. Obama wasn't that long ago. 2000 and 2004 were "who sucks less" elections. I don't think Nixon was inspiring either time. Seen as less extreme, I guess? But not an inspirational candidate. And George H W Bush v Dukakis certainly wasn't. It's not as if people were inspired for decades and then it just came to a stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Biden 2020 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, johnny said: "Holy shit" is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joestradamus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Okay so I'm absolutely embarrassed to ask you guys this at this point in my life, but I've always been lost when it comes to Israel and Palestine. I don't know what's going on and where the conflict begins and ends, if that's what it is... is there a good resource that explains and summarizes this whole thing like as if I'm a 5 year old. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Joestradamus said: Okay so I'm absolutely embarrassed to ask you guys this at this point in my life, but I've always been lost when it comes to Israel and Palestine. I don't know what's going on and where the conflict begins and ends, if that's what it is... is there a good resource that explains and summarizes this whole thing like as if I'm a 5 year old. After WW2 we created Israel, which everyone in the region was really not happy about, but couldn't prevent cause of US backing, and they turned into a bag of dicks that we've chained ourselves to for no apparent reason other than not wanting to admit it was a huge mistake. In this specific issue Israel keeps expanding/building settlements in territory claimed by the Palestinians, and a significant number of Americans have convinced themselves that Israel is the good guys here cause Arabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Joestradamus said: Okay so I'm absolutely embarrassed to ask you guys this at this point in my life, but I've always been lost when it comes to Israel and Palestine. I don't know what's going on and where the conflict begins and ends, if that's what it is... is there a good resource that explains and summarizes this whole thing like as if I'm a 5 year old. So, it starts a couple thousand years ago with a dead beat dad... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 24 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: After WW2 we created Israel, which everyone in the region was really not happy about, but couldn't prevent cause of US backing, and they turned into a bag of dicks that we've chained ourselves to for no apparent reason other than not wanting to admit it was a huge mistake. In this specific issue Israel keeps expanding/building settlements in territory claimed by the Palestinians, and a significant number of Americans have convinced themselves that Israel is the good guys here cause Arabs. the Bible and the second coming. FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: FTFY Yup. The reason there is so much pressure to support Israel's actions are we want Jesus to come back after they rebuild the magic temple. Why do we want Jesus to come back? Because Americans think they're the saved ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Joestradamus said: Okay so I'm absolutely embarrassed to ask you guys this at this point in my life, but I've always been lost when it comes to Israel and Palestine. I don't know what's going on and where the conflict begins and ends, if that's what it is... is there a good resource that explains and summarizes this whole thing like as if I'm a 5 year old. In reality, the current situation effectively begins towards the end of the First World War when the British promised the territory that is now Israel, the Palestinian territories, and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan to the Arab tribes in exchange for their help in defeating the Ottoman Empire. The problem is that the British also promised the same territory as a "national home for the Jewish people" in the Balfour Declaration of 1917. This is after the British command in the Middle East explicitly promised to the Arab tribes that there would never be a "Jewish homeland" in Palestine. This endorsement of "Zionism" led to the significant emigration of European Jews to Palestine (largely due to rising anti-Semitism in Europe, especially in Germany and Russia) and the subsequent tensions and eventual displacement of the local Palestinian population, culminating in the declaration of independence of the State of Israel in 1948. To summarize, the current mess is largely -- if not ENTIRELY -- the fault of the British Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: FTFY For some Americans this is true, especially the religious far right, but i'd wager the vast majority have no idea about any of that, and its basically Arabs are bad mmmm'kay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: For some Americans this is true, especially the religious far right, but i'd wager the vast majority have no idea about any of that, and its basically Arabs are bad mmmm'kay. The religious right is an adamant supporter of the GOP and our warmongering tho. It's some of the GOPs most effective mouthpiece. How else do "good Christians" support the current administration, they're a wing of propaganda for religious extremists. They get Jesus in exchange for war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 @Joestradamus - if you are really interested in learning more about this subject, I cannot recommend highly enough the podcast series Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem. The episodes can be long, but I really can't think of a more accessible resource to develop at least some understanding of how/why things came to be the way they are. At the conclusion of the series, you will probably: - be angry at the Israelis, but have some sympathy/understanding of why they did what they did - have a broken heart at the plight of the Palestinian people - utterly despise the British 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, SlipperySlope said: The religious right is an adamant supporter of the GOP and our warmongering tho. It's some of the GOPs most effective mouthpiece. How else do "good Christians" support the current administration, they're a wing of propaganda for religious extremists. They get Jesus in exchange for war. Sure, but most have no idea or care about the second coming stuff, especially outside the GOP so it basically boils down to the easier thing to do here, which is racism, or even just cause "my side said they're bad, and these guys are good." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 They're a democracy guyz he have to support democracies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joestradamus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Ah thank you guys for the info. This was like a snowball effect for me... I mean, I've been wanting to ask and find out for a long time, but felt overwhelmed at what seemed like a deep, long history and embarrassed to ask. Over time, the feelings just kept getting bigger. @Emperor Diocletian II, I believe I will take the time to check out the podcast, thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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