mclumber1 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 What's great is seeing all of these vulnerable GOP Senators squirm when asked if they support Donald Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 The Republican Party is officially in the process of being Cancelled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 The Michigan poll for Biden also had concerning news for the Michigan Senate race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Michigan is full of dumbasses, can't wait for a Biden administration to not have Senate confirmed cabinet secretaries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Michigan is full of dumbasses Brain drain, baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: Brain drain, baby! My step dad is from Michigan and him leaving was a net positive to the state IQ wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbiggsly Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I've lived in Michigan for most of my life and it is indeed filled with dumbasses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 If he beat Peters and Biden won the state, he'd be in a small group to beat an incumbent while his party's presidential nominee lost the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbiggsly Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Stabenow beat him 52.3% to 45.8% in 2018 so I just assumed he had no shot. I'll have to see if I can figure out why this one is so close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePi Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Michigan is full of dumbasses, can't wait for a Biden administration to not have Senate confirmed cabinet secretaries Then just have acting secretaries and if the Senate GOP complain just give them the double middle fingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, mrbiggsly said: I've lived in Michigan for most of my life and it is indeed filled with dumbasses I lived in Michigan for an extended period. I concur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 53 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Wow so hot and fun! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 The only explanation for him is he's a fucking sociopath. He's got dead dogs buried in his back yard I'm telling you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The only explanation for him is he's a fucking sociopath. He's got dead dogs buried in your back yard I'm telling you In my back yard? But I don't even have a back yard! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Haha meant his Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaysWho? Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 http://www.elle.com//sites/elle/assets/images/favicon.ico Michigan Senator Gary Peters Shares His Abortion Story WWW.ELLE.COM “It's a story of how gut-wrenching and complicated decisions can be related to reproductive health." Quote In the late 1980s in Detroit, Peters and his then wife, Heidi, were pregnant with their second child, a baby they very much wanted. Heidi was four months along when her water broke, leaving the fetus without amniotic fluid—a condition it could not possibly survive. The doctor told the Peters to go home and wait for a miscarriage to happen naturally. But it didn’t happen. They went back to the hospital the next day, and the doctor detected a faint heartbeat. He recommended an abortion, because the fetus still had no chance of survival, but it wasn’t an option due to a hospital policy banning the procedure. So he sent the couple again home to wait for a miscarriage. “The mental anguish someone goes through is intense,” Peters says, “trying to have a miscarriage for a child that was wanted.” As they waited, Heidi’s health deteriorated. When she returned to the hospital on the third day, after another night without a natural miscarriage, the doctor told her the situation was dire. She could lose her uterus in a matter of hours if she wasn’t able to have an abortion, and if she became septic from the uterine infection, she could die. Quote The doctor appealed to the hospital’s board for an exception to their anti-abortion policy and was denied. Quote The Peters were able to get into another hospital right away because they were friends with its chief administrator. Heidi was rushed into an emergency abortion that saved her uterus and possibly her life. The whole experience was “painful and traumatic,” Heidi shared in a statement. “If it weren’t for urgent and critical medical care, I could have lost my life.” Quote “It’s important for folks to understand that these things happen to folks every day,” he explains. “I’ve always considered myself pro-choice and believe women should be able to make these decisions themselves, but when you live it in real life, you realize the significant impact it can have on a family.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: http://www.elle.com//sites/elle/assets/images/favicon.ico Michigan Senator Gary Peters Shares His Abortion Story WWW.ELLE.COM “It's a story of how gut-wrenching and complicated decisions can be related to reproductive health." I know this pain all too well. I've mention my past history of going through similar situations in the past. Which is why I get quite snappy at anti abortion people on the forums. This guy is lucky that their issue only lasted a few days, my wife's went on for a few weeks as we tried to find out everything we could about the situation. I'm so glad that the whole thing happen in Canada which is a lot more compassionate on the subject. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: http://www.elle.com//sites/elle/assets/images/favicon.ico Michigan Senator Gary Peters Shares His Abortion Story WWW.ELLE.COM “It's a story of how gut-wrenching and complicated decisions can be related to reproductive health." if the Democrats want to promote abortion, this is the way to do it. Stop with the whole "my body, my choice" argument, as it falls on deaf ears. Most mid to late term abortions are done for the same reasons as Peters gives here - and you just have to feel sorry for the guy (and his former wife, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 44 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: if the Democrats want to promote abortion, this is the way to do it. Stop with the whole "my body, my choice" argument, as it falls on deaf ears. Most mid to late term abortions are done for the same reasons as Peters gives here - and you just have to feel sorry for the guy (and his former wife, of course). This story is WHY it should be their choice about their body. It isn't the only reason and it certainly shouldn't take a Senator to voice it to be heard and accepted as a valid reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, CayceG said: This story is WHY it should be their choice about their body. It isn't the only reason and it certainly shouldn't take a Senator to voice it to be heard and accepted as a valid reason. When you have rabid leftists simply yelling "my body, my choice!", a lot of people are going to tune out. That's all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: When you have women yelling "my body, my choice!", I, mclumber1, am going to tune out. That's all I'm saying. Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 There are myriad reasons to end a pregnancy. There will always be unwanted pregnancies. The only reason “my body my choice” falls on deaf ears is because it’s most often female voices that are saying it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Joe said: Fixed. Whatever. There are stronger arguments that can me made to win over more support from moderates, and even conservatives. I'm not even a pro-life (statutorily), by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Whatever. There are stronger arguments that can me made to win over more support from moderates, and even conservatives. I'm not even a pro-life (statutorily), by the way. Whatever indeed. Bodily autonomy isn't just about "rabid leftists". FFS, dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 The problem with abortion rights is they are in general, very popular...but so are some of the anti abortion restrictions that Republicans impose on them, like hospital admitting privileges which on balance does far more to restrict abortion than any sort of safety gained. Poll: Majority Want To Keep Abortion Legal, But They Also Want Restrictions WWW.NPR.ORG An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist survey found that three-quarters of Americans want the Supreme Court to uphold Roe v. Wade. But there is also complexity — and contradiction — in respondents'... But yeah, I can't imagine why women who get to have their agency taken away by wealthy, white, conservative, men (mostly) would take it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Whatever. There are stronger arguments that can me made to win over more support from moderates, and even conservatives. I'm not even a pro-life (statutorily), by the way. Your response comes down to "they should do this the way I think it should be done for more support." This essentially means that people would ostensibly make a different policy position only if the people in favor of the policy argued "the right way" for it. Which, when you know the "right way" to argue a policy, that means you have a potentially persuasive position on it. But people that say this garbage always put it on the people they're opposing to present rather than actually considering the argument they say they'd accept and make their opinion based on that. It's dumbass garbage that's nothing more than requiring an opponent to jump through hoops just so you can say at the end of the day "nah, I don't think I will. Good try though." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 It's a common theme in American politics/life. I support voting! - but you need to put in effort to vote I support abortion! - but there needs to be restrictions I support civil rights! - but not if they are loud about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 It's a common trope among Conservative circles that there are hundreds of thousands of late term abortions every year, simply because the mother doesn't want the child anymore. In reality, mid and late term abortions are carried out because the mother's life is threatened, or the viability of the pregnancy is super low. Explaining why these abortions need to remain accessible to all women is more important that just saying "my body, my choice". Yes, I know I'm only stating my opinion here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: It's a common trope among Conservative circles that there are hundreds of thousands of late term abortions every year, simply because the mother doesn't want the child anymore. In reality, mid and late term abortions are carried out because the mother's life is threatened, or the viability of the pregnancy is super low. Explaining why these abortions need to remain accessible to all women is more important that just saying "my body, my choice". Yes, I know I'm only stating my opinion here. Only because you were called out on it. Previously, you made it seem like this was the popular opinion. Also, this isn't a binary choice. Democrats make both arguments all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: It's a common trope among Conservative circles that there are hundreds of thousands of late term abortions every year, simply because the mother doesn't want the child anymore. In reality, mid and late term abortions are carried out because the mother's life is threatened, or the viability of the pregnancy is super low. Explaining why these abortions need to remain accessible to all women is more important that just saying "my body, my choice". Yes, I know I'm only stating my opinion here. Conservatives harp on this because the straw man they build sounds "reasonable" when you lack the context that they really think abortion at any point should be a crime because life begins at conception but it's very unpopular to say that, just like when you ask them about rape and incest exceptions and turns out they really are pro birth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: It's a common trope among Conservative circles that there are hundreds of thousands of late term abortions every year, simply because the mother doesn't want the child anymore. In reality, mid and late term abortions are carried out because the mother's life is threatened, or the viability of the pregnancy is super low. Explaining why these abortions need to remain accessible to all women is more important that just saying "my body, my choice". Yes, I know I'm only stating my opinion here. That trope among conservatives exists purely because they don't accept the facts of the issue and instead rely on their own conspiracies stoking the fire. This isn't a problem that the left has to address. This is rot within the conservative movement. People are capable of personally believing that abortion is wrong or morally problematic or a tough subject... and also believing that there are generally acceptable reasons to have one. But for almost everyone that takes the position that abortion should be illegal or restricted it is because they personally believe it is wrong and that their personal beliefs should be the law of the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, chakoo said: I know this pain all too well. I've mention my past history of going through similar situations in the past. Which is why I get quite snappy at anti abortion people on the forums. This guy is lucky that their issue only lasted a few days, my wife's went on for a few weeks as we tried to find out everything we could about the situation. I'm so glad that the whole thing happen in Canada which is a lot more compassionate on the subject. I feel for you. Luckily, I'm in Massachusetts so we don't have to deal with the bullshit policies you might find in some redder states. I went through something similar before we had our oldest. We spent nearly an entire month going back and forth with doctors trying to figure out if the pregnancy was viable. The time you spend going back and forth with weekly ultrasounds, blood tests, and every other test you can run a pregnant woman and fetus through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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