GeneticBlueprint Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Jason said: The GOP would and they're the ones in power now. That works for their base so that tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 29 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: A competent opposition party wouldn't throw out red herrings. No one--and I mean absolutely no one--cares about these debate club rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: No one--and I mean absolutely no one--cares about these debate club rules. Calling the president's lawyer a pedophile does not prove the President's conduct impeachable but keep stooping if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Calling the president's lawyer a pedophile does not prove the President's conduct impeachable but keep stooping if you want. All the facts laid out prove impeachable conduct in asking for the mere announcement of an investigation into the failson Hunter Biden, and yet it is a foregone conclusion that the charges against the president will be dismissed, and I'd wager on a party line vote, maybe even with some Dems voting to dismiss as well. Continually failing to politically capitalize on the very easy association between an infamous sex trafficking pedophile and the president and the president's impeachment lawyer and now the GOP establishment looking past all of that to protect the president is a massive failure. Get senators on record about dersh, the ads basically write themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: All the facts laid out prove impeachable conduct in asking for the mere announcement of an investigation into the failson Hunter Biden, and yet it is a foregone conclusion that the charges against the president will be dismissed, and I'd wager on a party line vote, maybe even with some Dems voting to dismiss as well. Continually failing to politically capitalize on the very easy association between an infamous sex trafficking pedophile and the president and the president's impeachment lawyer and now the GOP establishment looking past all of that to protect the president is a massive failure. Get senators on record about dersh, the ads basically write themselves Like... I get all that. But I think the anlysis is wrong and completely forgets 2016. Focusing on pussy grabbing only seems to have emboldened Trump's support. And I think it forgets 2018 as well. Focusing on actual policy and consequences brought Dems the majority in the House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Like... I get all that. But I think the anlysis is wrong and completely forgets 2016. Focusing on pussy grabbing only seems to have emboldened Trump's support. And I think it forgets 2018 as well. Focusing on actual policy and consequences brought Dems the majority in the House. "Senator x is in DC protecting and cheering on associates of billionaire sex trafficking pedophile Jeffery Epstein all while voting to take health care away from millions of Americans. Elect Candidate D who will stand up and protect your right to health care/Medicare/whatever" or something like that. Just an example. It's not an either/or thing, and attack ads work, particularly when They are objectively true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: "Senator x is in DC protecting and cheering on associates of billionaire sex trafficking pedophile Jeffery Epstein all while voting to take health care away from millions of Americans. Elect Candidate D who will stand up and protect your right to health care/Medicare/whatever" or something like that. Just an example. It's not an either/or thing, and attack ads work, particularly when They are objectively true. Fair enough. I've just always found that approach incredibly cheesy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Fair enough. I've just always found that approach incredibly cheesy. I mean that's just something an official candidate as could do, to say nothing of a PAC unassociated with any campaign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Dershowitz resets the mood Quote As the White House legal team went through its second day of opening arguments, Bolton loomed like an elephant in the room, present but unmentioned. It was only in the final presentation of the night when Dershowitz addressed Bolton head-on. "Nothing in the Bolton revelations -- even if true -- would rise to the level of an abuse of power or an impeachable offense," Dershowitz said in the middle of what otherwise sounded more like an law-school lecture than an opening argument in a trial. Dershowitz continued with an argument meant to reassure the rattled GOP senators. "Even if the President, any president, were to demand a quid pro quo as a condition to sending aid to a foreign country, obviously a highly disputed matter in this case, that would not by itself constitute an abuse of power," he argued, adding, "Quid pro quo alone is not a basis for abuse of power, it's part of the way foreign policy has been operated by presidents since the beginning of time." The entire presentation made a splash with the Republican conference, with multiple senators shaking Dershowitz's hand. McConnell could be heard telling Dershowitz the performance was "wonderful." Sen. Mike Lee of Utah told CNN he thought Dershowitz was "brilliant." On Tuesday morning, Braun was still singing Dershowitz's praises. "I think he probably gave a lot more peace of mind to people that were wanting to see how to sort through it, when he made a strong case that each article was ill-founded," Braun told reporters in the Capitol Monday morning. The Dershowitz closing only strengthened the status quo, with multiple Republicans reiterating they'll make the decision when the time for a vote on witnesses -- which will likely be later this week -- comes. "Still going to make my decision when we finish this phase," said Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey. Even Romney, who has been speaking in support of witnesses, seemed unwilling to make the effort when asked by reporters about his position following the conclusion of Monday's trial session. "I'm really not going to comment on the process until it's all completed," Romney said as he boarded a Senate subway car. Then he added, as an afterthought, "I'd like to hear from John Bolton." As the subway car pulled away from the Capitol station, Romney -- alone with an aide -- took in a breath and sighed. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/gop-weather-storm-bolton-deep-breath-witnesses/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Littleronin Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 This is what it looks like when an entire political party is grabbed by the pussy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Firewithin Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Until they all vote to block them 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Let us forever remember that inappropriate behavior, not even a crime, is a sound basis for impeachment as told by those now denouncing actual crimes as not rising to the level of impeachable offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I've been deliberately paying as little attention as possible to this carnival of shit, because if I focus too much on it my soul is going to wither up and die. Having said that, what exactly is the stated reason for going to such lengths to prevent witnesses from testifying? How is it not glaringly obvious that this is what guilty people do? Is there seriously any other way to interpret it? What's the lie the Right is pushing? That Bolton is going to give up the launch codes on accident if he's allowed to be questioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Scott said: I've been deliberately paying as little attention as possible to this carnival of shit, because if I focus too much on it my soul is going to wither up and die. Having said that, what exactly is the stated reason for going to such lengths to prevent witnesses from testifying? How is it not glaringly obvious that this is what guilty people do? Is there seriously any other way to interpret it? What's the lie the Right is pushing? That Bolton is going to give up the launch codes on accident if he's allowed to be questioned? Basically that the House should have done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Senator Manchin (D-WV) says Hunter Biden is a relevant witness. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, SaysWho? said: Senator Manchin (D-WV) says Hunter Biden is a relevant witness. I'm sure he's a relevant witness to some crime or another, but not this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Senator Manchin (D-WV) says Hunter Biden is a relevant witness. This is dumb. GOP will force him to testify then stonewall/block on Bolton leading them to just push for closure since hunter gave them all the evidence they will need (not really but they will make it out to be) that trump is not guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 37 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Senator Manchin (D-WV) says Hunter Biden is a relevant witness. How long before this turd switches parties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: How long before this turd switches parties? If Sanders or Warren is president and the Senate is 50-50 I can see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I always wonder about this stuff. Can't it be that Hunter Biden as a witness is inevitable, so you might as well give the conservative Democrat some brownie points with his constituents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Jose said: I always wonder about this stuff. Can't it be that Hunter Biden as a witness is inevitable, so you might as well give the moderate some brownie points with his constituents? lol Manchin ain't a moderate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jason said: lol Manchin ain't a moderate True. Fixed. Not really my point, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Pictures of their spouses/children/homes would be far more effective! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Chris- said: Pictures of their spouses/children/homes would be far more effective! NOW we're getting somewhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, Chris- said: Pictures of their spouses/children/homes would be far more effective! i dont think most of them really give a fuck about their families either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Firewithin said: i dont think most of them really give a fuck about their families either Okay, pictures of their pool boys. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Jason said: Okay, pictures of their pool boys. 12 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: NOW we're getting somewhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Firewithin Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/480526-gop-senators-believe-they-have-the-votes-to-block-witnesses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Let's make some guess as to what type of headlines WaPo and NYT will use to describe the GOP blocking evidence and testimony that would implicate their own people, on the eve of revelations that the President's lawyers donated to many Senators before vote: NYT: "Senate stymies Democratic Party plan to call witnesses. Vote seen as win for President Trump." WaPo: "McConnell victorious over battle with Democrats in procedural hearing vote." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 What Mitch McConnell wants, Mitch McConnell gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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