SaysWho? Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Like, a one time rule change? Or change the filibuster to one that actually requires a Senator to physically filibuster, instead of what exists now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: Like, a one time rule change? Or change the filibuster to one that actually requires a Senator to physically filibuster, instead of what exists now? Don't put too much thought on it. It's all posturing 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 100 year leases on Federal land, dare 60 senators to vote to end the leases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucoe Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 I had so much hope for Biden going forward, but these days, I find myself constantly disappointed by what he could do but just won't. He wants to play the dealmaker in an era where neither side is ever going to come to the table unless it's to do worthless legislation that allows them to pretend they're doing something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, brucoe said: I had so much hope for Biden going forward, but these days, I find myself constantly disappointed by what he could do but just won't. He wants to play the dealmaker in an era where neither side is ever going to come to the table unless it's to do worthless legislation that allows them to pretend they're doing something. Infrastructure bill isn't worthless by any length or stretch of the imagination. Gun bill may be small, but all of its components were needed and actually done after years of, "Now is not the time to talk about it." Striking down NDAs that buy women's silence is not worthless to those women, or any woman in the U.S. is in a huge step forward in fighting back at horny, gross people in power. The USPS was finally reformed after bleeding money since 2006. He's outpacing Trump on judges, and Trump/Republican Senate are both a huge part of why we're in the mess we're in. All this stuff is important, and methinks if Biden was able to get BBB passed with paid leave and universal pre-k and climate legislation, we wouldn't look at the other accomplishments so lowly. I think because that didn't happen -- and it was clearly the most ambitious part of his agenda -- it's colored what we think of everything else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Presidents like Obama and Biden are good leaders...for countries with functioning systems of government. For a society like the US, you need to be willing and able to bend every single convention possible to get things done, and those two are too spineless to do so. Obviously they have done good things and are far better than the GOP, it's just disappointing that even when they have the opportunity to do something better, they tend to get scared. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Presidents like Obama and Biden are good leaders...for countries with functioning systems of government. For a society like the US, you need to be willing and able to bend every single convention possible to get things done, and those two are too spineless to do so. Obviously they have done good things and are far better than the GOP, it's just disappointing that even when they have the opportunity to do something better, they tend to get scared. President Harry Reid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Like, objectively, getting rid of the Senate filibuster would be one of the biggest transformative changes you could make to the current US system of government. You could actually pass legislation if you win an election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Like, objectively, getting rid of the Senate filibuster would be one of the biggest transformative changes you could make to the current US system of government. You could actually pass legislation if you win an election. More importantly: put in more Democrats in a Senate that's a toss-up. Val Demings for U.S. Senate VALDEMINGS.COM Congresswoman Val Demings is fighting for real progress, but she needs you on this team. Donate today to defend the Senate majority. Tim Ryan for Ohio | Official Campaign Website TIMFOROH.COM It's time to cut workers in on the deal. Tim Ryan is running for U.S. Senate to put Ohio's working families first. Join Team Ryan today. John Fetterman - Official Campaign Website JOHNFETTERMAN.COM John doesn’t look like a typical politician, and more importantly, he doesn’t act like one. Help elect John Fetterman for U.S. Senate. Cheri Beasley for North Carolina CHERIBEASLEY.COM For too many families across North Carolina, the doors of opportunity have been closed. I’m running for U.S. Senate because it’s time for that to change. Join us. Mandela Barnes for U.S. Senate MANDELABARNES.COM If we're in this together, we are going to do great things for Wisconsin and the country. Join our campaign today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 @SaysWho? Stop being so damn positive! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Even though the Dobbs opinion makes it clear such a piece of legislation would not hold up in court the Dems need to follow the GOP playbook of not caring about that and passing the laws they want anyway. It isn’t futile, it is about the long game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 50 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: @SaysWho? Stop being so damn positive! It's not "being positive" it's being fucking realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Right on cue... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 The politically smart thing to do would be to hold an up-or-down vote on abortion and gay marriage and legalized marijuana and everything else every few weeks from now until the election. String together videos of each Senator and House Rep voting no and demand they be replaced (regardless of party) with someone who will vote the correct way. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: The politically smart thing to do would be to hold an up-or-down vote on abortion and gay marriage and legalized marijuana and everything else every few weeks from now until the election. String together videos of each Senator and House Rep voting no and demand they be replaced (regardless of party) with someone who will vote the correct way. And throw Cuellar under the bus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: The politically smart thing to do would be to hold an up-or-down vote on abortion and gay marriage and legalized marijuana and everything else every few weeks from now until the election. String together videos of each Senator and House Rep voting no and demand they be replaced (regardless of party) with someone who will vote the correct way. I like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 27 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: It's not "being positive" it's being fucking realistic. @SaysWho? will decide who's being fucking realistic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jason said: And throw Cuellar under the bus? Trying to avoid someone going under the bus is exactly why Dems are paralyzed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 Position is official: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 The filibuster isn't even in the way, Manchin already voted no earlier this year, and that was just to break the filibuster on the bill, and he wouldn't even do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 No making an exception. Get rid of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, PaladinSolo said: The filibuster isn't even in the way, Manchin already voted no earlier this year, and that was just to break the filibuster on the bill. That means the filibuster is in the way and a 50-50 Senate isn't enough to get rid of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Position is official: Biden Press Secretary walks back Biden tweet (I wouldn't be surprised!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: That means the filibuster is in the way and a 50-50 Senate isn't enough to get rid of it. No, they were voting to break the filibuster on just that bill, and even if it wasn't there dems still only had 49 votes, cause Manchin vocally said he was against the bill, and played some cop out about how it went further than Roe or some nonsense, lol. But yes, if dems get 2 more senators to bypass the idiot from AZ and WV they can crash the filibuster and pass it, but right now they don't even have 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: The politically smart thing to do would be to hold an up-or-down vote on abortion and gay marriage and legalized marijuana and everything else every few weeks from now until the election. String together videos of each Senator and House Rep voting no and demand they be replaced (regardless of party) with someone who will vote the correct way. This is such a fantastic idea! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, PaladinSolo said: No, they were voting to break the filibuster on just that bill, and even if it wasn't there dems still only had 49 votes, cause Manchin vocally said he was against the bill, and played some cop out about how it went further than Roe or some nonsense, lol. But yes, if dems get 2 more senators to bypass the idiot from AZ and WV they can crash the filibuster and pass it. Yeah, I agree with you about what happened, but that means the filibuster is in the way. What sucks is there's very little sway for Manchin since he's in West Virginia and whenever he retires, a Republican is replacing him who will make Democrats miss Manchin's stupidity. Sinema is a very strange case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Setting up some kind of deal with Murkowski and Collins on this particular legislation in exchange for something they may want (aside from abortion legislation) may be their best bet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 The VRA passed nearly unanimously through congress and objectively has a strong constitutional, historical, and legal foundation and John Roberts still gutted it, the idea of codification of any law will make a material difference is pure fantasy given the extremism of the court. the answer once and forever remains court reform (but this is still good from a political point of view) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 It's going to be funny when after all this handwringing and back and forth the republicans eliminate the filibuster at the very first chance they get... because that's exactly what they are going to do the very instant it's to their advantage. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, ort said: It's going to be funny when after all this handwringing and back and forth the republicans eliminate the filibuster at the very first chance they get... because that's exactly what they are going to do the very instant it's to their advantage. As soon as they control the Legislative and Executive this will 100% happen instantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Right on cue... I wonder how many democrats are in favor of gutting Krysten Sinema… 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 56 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Position is official: Ok. Then state's sue, and this SCOTUS finds it unconstitutional and says the only way it can be accomplished is a constitutional amendment, which is impossible. There's literally nothing that can be done. But I do think Democrats should at least try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 hours ago, osxmatt said: Ok. Then state's sue, and this SCOTUS finds it unconstitutional and says the only way it can be accomplished is a constitutional amendment, which is impossible. There's literally nothing that can be done. But I do think Democrats should at least try. I mean... if we just assume that the worst always plays out exactly the way we think, just like we assumed that not even a gun safety bill that simply said "We hate it when people are shot" was going to happen, sure. Between the ACA being overturned in 2012, Hillary winning in 2016 and Democrats totally not being able to win in 2017/2018, we don't exactly have a good track record in what we think is going to happen. Plus for all we know, Clarence Thomas could croak next month and get replaced. Codify it into law, keep the Senate in case a SCOTUS judge dies, liberalize the judiciary top to bottom, and put the right to an abortion on the ballot in every state you can. The Court doing this doesn't mean it's forever. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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