Jason Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 F.D.A. Aims to Slash Nicotine Levels in Cigarettes - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The move would be an effort to further wean Americans from addictive tobacco products and reduce smoking-related illnesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 I thought it was established a long time ago that "light cigarettes" (cigarettes with less nicotine) are bad because nicotine isn't the thing that's actually bad for you, so you're forcing people to smoke more of the stuff that's actually bad for you to get the same amount of nicotine? As for Juul, Quote The FDA in 2020 barred the sale of all sweet and fruity e-cigarette cartridges and hasn’t yet allowed any to come back. The agency has cleared the way for Juul’s biggest rivals, Reynolds American Inc. and NJOY Holdings Inc., to keep tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes on the market. Industry observers had expected Juul to receive similar clearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Just now, Jason said: I thought it was established a long time ago that "light cigarettes" (cigarettes with less nicotine) are bad because nicotine isn't the thing that's actually bad for you, so you're forcing people to smoke more of the stuff that's actually bad for you for more nicotine? As for Juul, I get their pods auto delivered. F I guess. Gonna have to start taking weekend trips to PA to get flavored eliquid again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jason said: I thought it was established a long time ago that "light cigarettes" (cigarettes with less nicotine) are bad because nicotine isn't the thing that's actually bad for you, so you're forcing people to smoke more of the stuff that's actually bad for you to get the same amount of nicotine? As for Juul, Yeah, that makes me laugh, just a total backward idea that must have sounded good in passing and nobody thought too hard about it. I get they are thinking you will give up smoking since they are so weak, but that’s not how it works when you’re addicted to something. It’s like if you made nicotine gum but with no nicotine, just a big chunk of tar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jason said: I thought it was established a long time ago that "light cigarettes" (cigarettes with less nicotine) are bad because nicotine isn't the thing that's actually bad for you, so you're forcing people to smoke more of the stuff that's actually bad for you to get the same amount of nicotine? As for Juul, Light cigarettes just have less airflow so that you draw in less smoke; otherwise they are exactly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, stepee said: Yeah, that makes me laugh, just a total backward idea that must have sounded good in passing and nobody thought too hard about it. I get they are thinking you will give up smoking since they are so weak, but that’s not how it works when you’re addicted to something. It’s like if you made nicotine gum but with no nicotine, just a big chunk of tar. If you're ok with current smokers dying off faster, it would in theory get you fewer new addicts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 But mah lungs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Vaping should absolutely be banned whole cloth. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Vaping should absolutely be banned whole cloth. I'm gonna go make a vape out of an AR-15. Shall not infringe mothafucka. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 My body my choice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Vaping should absolutely be banned whole cloth. It really shouldn't. It's ridiculous that I live in a state with legal marijuana but can't buy a Naked menthol fruit flavoured eliquid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Cigarettes are fucking disgusting. The less of that shit the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Vaping should absolutely be banned whole cloth. Then those vape cloud competitions would go away and no one wants to see that happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 While I despise tobacco, im always against more regulation of drugs. Like any other drug, it should be legal to buy and use, but only in private spaces/homes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 What if... now just hear me out here... But what if people just stopped smoking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I quite back when I was 30 and its the best thing I've ever done for myself, medically speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Just put those nasty ass covers Canada has on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I can't wait until the cartels start smuggling in cigarettes with nicotine from Mexico, adding to the war on drugs, and the associated violence and murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Shouldn't spend effort outright banning anything that doesn't impose an immediate danger. Tax the shit out of it though. I know cigarette taxes are pretty aggressive but don't know what they are exactly. But they should be twice whatever they are now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Haven’t smoking levels plummeted? Like it’s a rarity I see anyone smoking anymore. Less people smoking is great but it seems like we’re pretty naturally already solving that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dodger said: Haven’t smoking levels plummeted? Like it’s a rarity I see anyone smoking anymore. Less people smoking is great but it seems like we’re pretty naturally already solving that problem. Yeah, it’s gone way down and continues to trend downwards. On a society level it’s largely considered a disgusting habit and all traces of glamor and even the rebel rebel romanticism of it are mostly gone. It seems like it’s being largely taken care of by other measures, just tax the fuck out of it like GB said. Make it $40 a pack, put all that tax money into health care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, stepee said: Just put those nasty ass covers Canada has on them. Every cigarette now has to come with a written warning around the filters too. I hate the smell and always will for cigarettes because of my dads chimney smoking side of the family (minus my uncle) Yet I’m fine with my weed via bong/vaporizer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: I quite back when I was 30 and its the best thing I've ever done for myself, medically speaking. Quite a good decision I would say! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: Quite a good decision I would say! My spelling is only surpassed by my grammar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Shouldn't spend effort outright banning anything that doesn't impose an immediate danger. Tax the shit out of it though. I know cigarette taxes are pretty aggressive but don't know what they are exactly. But they should be twice whatever they are now. Yup. And banning them will just make a black market for them, losing all those tax dollars. Which also has the possibility to make them cool to dumb kids again. Most of the smokers I knew were smoking really, really young compared to drinking and pot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, BloodyHell said: Yup. And banning them will just make a black market for them, losing all those tax dollars. Which also has the possibility to make them cool to dumb kids again. Most of the smokers I knew were smoking really, really young compared to drinking and pot. It might make a black market, but it will also reduce use, which is the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: It might make a black market, but it will also reduce use, which is the point. Will it? Did it reduce marijauna use? I also just don't agree with bans on drugs in general. I think it's made the problems worse. Making habits and addictions illegal only hurts the poorest people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I don’t know, I feel like a cigarette black market would be harder to get going. People who do illegal drugs always had to deal with an illicit sale, your average cigarette smoker just picks them up with a morning coffee. I’m not saying zero will turn to other means, I just imagine the number will be far lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: I don’t know, I feel like a cigarette black market would be harder to get going. People who do illegal drugs always had to deal with an illicit sale, your average cigarette smoker just picks them up with a morning coffee. I’m not saying zero will turn to other means, I just imagine the number will be far lower. There are cigarette black markets already, its just not popular in America because prices are comparatively low compared the USA. Other countries sell them for ~15$-20$ a pack, and in those places people absolutely go to black market. The Canadian cigarette black market on reservations is huge. Ontario Government Losing $2M Daily to Black Market Tobacco - It's Time to Stop the Losses WWW.NEWSWIRE.CA /CNW/ - Ontario's independent convenience store operators have a clear message for Finance Minister Rod Phillips and Premier Doug Ford, with respect to the... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Prohibition didn't work for alcohol. I don't think it will work for cigarettes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: I don’t know, I feel like a cigarette black market would be harder to get going. People who do illegal drugs always had to deal with an illicit sale, your average cigarette smoker just picks them up with a morning coffee. I’m not saying zero will turn to other means, I just imagine the number will be far lower. Black market cigarettes will be harder to restrict compared to other drugs, because they'll look and smell the same as legal cigarettes. It will also be just another item the cartels will gladly sell you, extending the war on drugs further, making more criminals out of users in the process when people are ultimately caught buying black market tobacco. I though liberals were smarter than this - I thought they understood that the war on drugs was a huge mistake, and have learned a valuable lesson. Nope. Just as dumb as conservatives when it comes to drugs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 41 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Black market cigarettes will be harder to restrict compared to other drugs, because they'll look and smell the same as legal cigarettes. It will also be just another item the cartels will gladly sell you, extending the war on drugs further, making more criminals out of users in the process when people are ultimately caught buying black market tobacco. Black market cigarettes are already a thing. High cigarette taxes have led to thriving black market across America THEHILL.COM The taxes undermine health goals by driving illicit shopping while inspiring rafts of other unwanted behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 They use to stop boats on Lake Ontario all the time with Reservation Cigarettes being shipped across the boarder into Buffalo. Was really bad I would say 25+ years ago but don’t hear too much of it anymore. Although I do know tons of people who still buy all their weed/cigarettes off the reserves because it’s so much cheaper and tax free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jason said: Black market cigarettes are already a thing. High cigarette taxes have led to thriving black market across America THEHILL.COM The taxes undermine health goals by driving illicit shopping while inspiring rafts of other unwanted behavior. Yeah I know. The cops killed a black man over cigarettes. The more we tax or outlaw tobacco, the more often these types of incidents will happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 So whose alt is this new account? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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