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Remarkableriots Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Rescue teams withstand wind, lightning and heat on 12-hour shifts to search for the victims of the Florida building collapse WWW.CNN.COM Through long hours, severe weather, looming danger and even loss within their own community, first responders have continually returned to the site of a Florida building collapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 10 more bodies found in Surfside condo collapse rubble, pushing death toll to 46 | CNN WWW.CNN.COM Ten more bodies were found in the rubble of a condo collapse in Surfside, Florida, pushing the confirmed death toll to 46 -- with another 94 people still unaccounted for, Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Surfside catastrophe raises concerns about San Francisco's sinking Millennium Tower WWW.CNN.COM San Francisco's lavish Millennium Tower, with soaring panoramic views and world-class amenities, opened to great fanfare in 2009. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Quote A $100 million fix, set to be completed next year, involves the installation of piles into the bedrock of downtown San Francisco beneath the building, according to Millennium spokesman Doug Elmets. The piles will then be tied to the existing foundation, he said. The retrofit, announced in October following years of lawsuits, hearings and accusations, will finally anchor the building to the bedrock. The original foundation was built into deep sand and experts determined that nearby projects and a process known as dewatering had weakened the soil under the sinking tower. This seems crazy that they sat this massive building on sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This seems crazy that they sat this massive building on sand. yolo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This seems crazy that they sat this massive building on sand. Figures the godless San Franciscans ignore the biblical story of building on sand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Or their own earthquake history. If SF got smacked by an 8.0+ people would fucking die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 So I've been looking into this, as this seems to me to highlight an underlying problem inherent with the concept of highrise condo towers as they exist in the US. Only a small handful of states require that a reserve fund be allocated/kept for any and all contingencies such as replacing the foundation. A lot of states, Florida being one, theoretically require it, but the residents can vote by majority to waive the fund every year, which has predictable results (they always do). It puts into a relief a big problem. When something comes up which HOA fees cannot cover, no one is particularly incentivised to do anything about it, which basically makes all highrise condo towers in most states ticking time bombs. They will decay and everyone just passes the buck on responsibility for repairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Here's a link to a description of state condo laws regarding reserve studies, on the off chance anyone is interested https://www.caionline.org/Advocacy/Priorities/ReserveStudy/Documents/Summary of State Reserve Fund Laws - May 2020.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 It's an even bigger problem when you consider all of the buildings in which a significant portion of units are not anyone's primary residence, but rental properties. Especially since most of said properties are by the beach and built on basically compacted rubble that turns to sand as the water table rises Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Officials Say They Are Ending The Search For Survivors In The Surfside Condo Collapse WWW.NPR.ORG After 14 days of searching, the operation now turns to a "recovery" phase. None of the victims recovered from the wreckage as of Wednesday morning survived the initial collapse, authorities said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, sblfilms said: This seems crazy that they sat this massive building on sand. The pyramids be like “still standing, bitches!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Officials Say They Are Ending The Search For Survivors In The Surfside Condo Collapse WWW.NPR.ORG After 14 days of searching, the operation now turns to a "recovery" phase. None of the victims recovered from the wreckage as of Wednesday morning survived the initial collapse, authorities said. What does this put the project death toll at? Around 150-160? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, osxmatt said: What does this put the project death toll at? Around 150-160? i believe slightly lower by 10-20 people. As some people were accounted for and I believe some names were also duplicated in the initial count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 2 hours ago, osxmatt said: What does this put the project death toll at? Around 150-160? 54 confirmed fatalities plus 90 unaccounted for = 144 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 4 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Figures the godless San Franciscans ignore the biblical story of building on sand It's San Francisco so they probably assumed all the sand had been turned into salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 3 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Officials Say They Are Ending The Search For Survivors In The Surfside Condo Collapse WWW.NPR.ORG After 14 days of searching, the operation now turns to a "recovery" phase. None of the victims recovered from the wreckage as of Wednesday morning survived the initial collapse, authorities said. Could there actually have been survivors, like, two-three days ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 30 minutes ago, Jason said: Could there actually have been survivors, like, two-three days ago? According to one report I read earlier today, an official stated that his belief is that no one survived the collapse - their deaths were instantaneous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 A collapsing high rise pancakes bodies and turns them to liquid. It was likely quick and painless for everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I love every new tragedy that could have been prevented but for boomers living large and passing all the responsibility and costs to their children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Anathema- said: I love every new tragedy that could have been prevented but for boomers living large and passing all the responsibility and costs to their children. I mean, yes, but this is more than just boomers. Basically the entire concept of the condo building in this instance was sold as a way to home ownership without having to pay for anything outside of what's covered by the HOA fees. Then they're like "hey, the foundation is fucked, it's going to cost like $15 million to fix it" and everyone is like "yeah, someone should totally do that, just not me." It highlights a problem of the entire existence of condo towers as they exist in the US. They're basically privatized projects. Built and then ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 8, 2021 Author Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Fizzzzle said: I mean, yes, but this is more than just boomers. Basically the entire concept of the condo building in this instance was sold as a way to home ownership without having to pay for anything outside of what's covered by the HOA fees. Then they're like "hey, the foundation is fucked, it's going to cost like $15 million to fix it" and everyone is like "yeah, someone should totally do that, just not me." It highlights a problem of the entire existence of condo towers as they exist in the US. They're basically privatized projects. Built and then ignored. Privatize the profits...socialize the deaths? Sound's like a good campaign slogan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 8 hours ago, Fizzzzle said: I mean, yes, but this is more than just boomers. Basically the entire concept of the condo building in this instance was sold as a way to home ownership without having to pay for anything outside of what's covered by the HOA fees. Then they're like "hey, the foundation is fucked, it's going to cost like $15 million to fix it" and everyone is like "yeah, someone should totally do that, just not me." It highlights a problem of the entire existence of condo towers as they exist in the US. They're basically privatized projects. Built and then ignored. You say it's more than boomers but who thought up this wonderful game of hot potato and does it strain credulity to observe the people who invented the game just coincidentally started the game with the potato too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, Anathema- said: You say it's more than boomers but who thought up this wonderful game of hot potato and does it strain credulity to observe the people who invented the game just coincidentally started the game with the potato too? You say that as if it was a boomer Republican that worked to repeal Florida laws specifically created to prevent stuff like this from happening. Oh, wait... Repealed Florida law would have required faster repairs at collapsed tower, experts say WWW.NBCNEWS.COM If a 2008 Florida law that required condos to plan for repairs had still been in place, "this never would have happened," said the legislator who sponsored the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Review prompted by building collapse closes Miami courthouse APNEWS.COM MIAMI (AP) — The Miami-Dade County Courthouse will begin undergoing repairs immediately because of safety concerns found during a review prompted by the deadly collapse of a nearby condominium building, officials said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Parking kills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Keep cars out of cities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 The Miami Herald has published an animated story on the Surfside condo collapse. It includes the engineering concepts inherent in the design, what was left out in construction, and the methods and modes of failure that led to the collapse. It's simply a stunning piece of forensic work: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/special-reports/surfside-investigation/article256633336.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 I read about this when it first happened and just read Cayce's story. Will anybody ever be held responsible for the shoddy construction and corner cutting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 29 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: I read about this when it first happened and just read Cayce's story. Will anybody ever be held responsible for the shoddy construction and corner cutting? Not even that much. Sounds like even just having working fire alarms would have given residents several minutes to escape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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