~*Official Thread of America's Return to Thoughts & Prayers Normalcy*~

[skillzdadirecta]

8 hours ago, Joe said:

So if the killer was Latino, it would be ok for the news to call them a racial epithet? No, right? Same logic here.

Is it the same though? I don't think people should be judged too harshly for not knowing how to specifically refere to a trans person especially in THIS circumstance unless they are DELIBERATELY misgendering a person to be insulting.

 

I also think that whether the person was out or not, the fact that they were Trans is more than likely an important part of the story if part of what drove them to to do this was the pressure they felt from what was going in in their lives including being sent to that school in the first place to possibly be "fixed" and what was going on in Tennessee regarding Trans rights. The shooter left a "manifesto" and if they referenced THIS bullshit

 

Tennessee governor signs laws banning gender-affirming care for minors and restricting drag shows

WWW.CBSNEWS.COM

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Republican Gov. Bill Lee signed legislation banning minors from receiving gender-affirming care despite legal threats from civil rights organizations.

 

Then it was not only appropriate for the Police to report this fact, it was NECESSARY. I don't condone what this shooter did for ANY reason at all and was disgusted when I saw the footage of them shooting their way into the school and stalking through the halls with two fucking AR guns looking for innocent victims to shoot.

 

Pretty sure at this point, we've covered the gamut of mass shooters in this country and it seems like anyone from ANY background with a grievance can pick up a gun and decide to solve their problems that way. Which is terrifying. There is something fundamentally broken in American society at the ROOT and I'm not sure what we can do to fix it... be safe out there folks.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Pretty sure at this point, we've covered the gamut of mass shooters in this country and it seems like anyone from ANY background with a grievance can pick up a gun and decide to solve their problems that way. Which is terrifying. There is something fundamentally broken in American society at the ROOT and I'm not sure what we can do to fix it...

This is why I’ve long believed guns are simultaneously a symptom and a cause in this country.

 

The laws we have, the number of guns, the ease at which you can get a hold of one both legally and illegally, and the difficulty that politicians and even celebs like Jon Stewart have with actually speaking about the ills of guns themselves…it’s all symptoms of the violent society that we are all part of.

 

And the guns are also the cause. Conflicts that would be settled very differently without such easy access to war like killing tools cause rapid escalation. It’s easy to blame mental health in the case of these large scale massacres, but that doesn’t explain most shootings in this country. It’s just angry, violent people, with nearly unfettered access to high power weaponry.

 

I don’t think there is any quick solution

[TheShader]

32 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Then it was not only appropriate for the Police to report this fact, it was NECESSARY. I don't condone what this shooter did for ANY reason at all and was disgusted when I saw the footage of them shooting their way into the school and stalking through the halls with two fucking AR guns looking for innocent victims to shoot.

There's a few problems at play here, though.

 

1) The original response was on whether or not it's ok to misgender people who are pieces of shit such as a mass shooter, which unequivocally no matter how much a piece of shit someone is it is NOT ok to be bigoted towards them. Just as it wouldn't be ok to start tossing around racial slurs and say it's acceptable 'because the act itself was terrible'. Being racist/transphobic/homophobic is simply never acceptable, and these situations don't give anyone a magic pass to be an asshole themselves.

 

2) As far as I'm aware, it hasn't been confirmed the person is actually trans, and the fact that the news have immediately taken that and ran with it IS a problem. Especially when it's been a consistent problem with news immediately taking shaky claims to mass shooters being trans, running with it, and then being dead silent when it comes out that the rumor they were trans was absolute BS. This is being done to intentionally harm the trans community.

 

3) There is a larger systemic issue of news reporters ONLY reporting someone's demographic if and when they turn out to be from one or more minority groups. We have a huge problem in which 'White Christian male shoots up mall' almost never makes the headlines, but 'Black Muslim man arrested for murdering his wife' constantly does. This hurts these minority groups as it builds a stigma over time that they are a larger 'threat' to God-fearing-innocent-white-Americans™ even when the statistics do not back up this claim. People don't read statistics, they read headlines.

 

4) There are most definitely things we can do to reduce these numbers, and there are most definitely demographics that are perpetuating these atrocities more than others. Outliers don't prove that it's everybody, it proves that outliers will always exist. Whether or not the shooter was trans in this case does not suddenly mean there is a widespread case of trans mass shooters. We're at the point in which there have been more mass shootings than we've had days in the year. And the solution isn't 'Well now every demographic has done it, guess there's no way to prevent this now'. This is entirely preventable, the problem is the fires are being purposefully stoked by extremists in our country while shouting 'thoughts and prayers' so they don't have to enact any change. Not to forget that we had a president not that long ago that encouraged very specific demographics in our country to commit these awful atrocities.

[DarkStar189]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nashville-shooter-amassed-arsenal-despite-185247133.html

Shooter was supposedly being treated for an “emotional disorder” by a Dr.

 

“Hale’s parents felt that Hale “should not own weapons,” Nashville Police Chief John Drake said Tuesday. “As it turned out,” he continued, Hale had “been hiding several weapons within the house.”
 

Norma and Ronald Hale allegedly told cops they knew their daughter owned a weapon at one point, but they told Hale to sell it because they didn’t trust the 28-year-old with it. Drake said the parents believed Hale when he said he’d gotten rid of the weapon and that they had no clue he was secretly purchasing more—including the two rifles and handgun used in Monday's massacre.”

 

So even the parents thought Hale should not have access to weapons yet they easily obtained them. Collected 7 guns total without the parents knowledge. 

[osxmatt]

I’m not sure the answer, but even is a psychiatrist in a private practice had deemed this person a danger or unfit to own a firearm, is there system or database in place that Walmart or your local gun store uses to cross reference that diagnosis?

[CastlevaniaNut18]

7 minutes ago, osxmatt said:

I’m not sure the answer, but even is a psychiatrist in a private practice had deemed this person a danger or unfit to own a firearm, is there system or database in place that Walmart or your local gun store uses to cross reference that diagnosis?

No.

[osxmatt]

5 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

No.

I didn’t think so. All the talk and focus on “mental health” is just fluff, then?
 

Unless someone is actually proposing the aforementioned system. 

[TheShader]

5 minutes ago, osxmatt said:

All the talk and focus on “mental health” is just fluff, then?

🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀Always has been 

[CastlevaniaNut18]

I think the public does need to see the photos of actual victims to hammer home what these weapons do to a body. Our coverage is far too sanitized. 
 

But I don’t think it’s fair to ask these families to all be Mamie Till. I can’t imagine going through that. 

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, osxmatt said:

I’m not sure the answer, but even is a psychiatrist in a private practice had deemed this person a danger or unfit to own a firearm, is there system or database in place that Walmart or your local gun store uses to cross reference that diagnosis?

Mental health records have to reach courts to be included in the things that background checks catch. 

[Remarkableriots]

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"Thank you. My name is Joe Biden. I'm Dr. Jill Biden's husband. And I eat Jeni's Ice Cream, chocolate chip. I came down because I heard there was chocolate chip ice cream. By the way, I have a whole refrigerator full upstairs. You think I'm kidding, I'm not."

 

[Jason]

da fuq

[CastlevaniaNut18]

He’s just…not great. 

[TheShader]

25 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said:

"Thank you. My name is Joe Biden. I'm Dr. Jill Biden's husband. And I eat Jeni's Ice Cream, chocolate chip. I came down because I heard there was chocolate chip ice cream. By the way, I have a whole refrigerator full upstairs. You think I'm kidding, I'm not."

 

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The video footage is authentic. Joe Biden started his speech on Monday with these exact words, as the official transcriptof Biden's speech confirms.

But most of the posts omit the context of Biden's remarks. His speech was not intended to address the shooting, but was held for a very different event.

As the transcript shows, the president was actually speaking at the Small Business Administration's Women's Business Summit hosted at the White House. Right before Biden started his remarks, the full footage of the eventshows President Biden was cheerfully introduced to an audience of women business leaders. Hence, Biden's opening remarks were equally buoyant.

Fact check: Biden, the Nashville shooting, and ice cream

WWW.DW.COM

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Yes, US President Biden did joke about chocolate chip ice cream before addressing the school shooting in Nashville. But his remarks have been stripped of significant context.

 

[TheShader]

Can we do at least a modicum of research when discussing a serious tragedy of gun violence and trying to quote politicians over it that are blatantly purposeful misinterpretations of reality? People are dead, trans people are being harassed/sent death threats/physically attacked, but you can't spend five seconds checking the context of a quote before posting it in a discussion about said things?

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, TheShader said:

Can we do at least a modicum of research when discussing a serious tragedy

What if we apply this to every topic?

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

To me, there was a failure on the part of the White House communications staff to excise that particular opening from the prepared remarks and substitute something more "reserved".

[Keyser_Soze]

1 hour ago, TheShader said:

Can we do at least a modicum of research when discussing a serious tragedy of gun violence and trying to quote politicians over it that are blatantly purposeful misinterpretations of reality? People are dead, trans people are being harassed/sent death threats/physically attacked, but you can't spend five seconds checking the context of a quote before posting it in a discussion about said things?

 

The rock'd

 

@SaysWho?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Jenis ice cream is pretty good

[Zaku3]

11 hours ago, TheShader said:

Can we do at least a modicum of research when discussing a serious tragedy of gun violence and trying to quote politicians over it that are blatantly purposeful misinterpretations of reality? People are dead, trans people are being harassed/sent death threats/physically attacked, but you can't spend five seconds checking the context of a quote before posting it in a discussion about said things?

 

It is in fairness linked. Ultimately he is the leader of our political order and this is the best we have supposedly to save the republic. Gun control legislation goes with saving the Republic I believe.

 

Those things are terrible but taking heat off of Biden is our usual "personal responsibility" take. (Not the forums but the country tends to write systemic issues off as personal responsibility)

 

I do want to conform it sounds like the local policr actually tried to stop this as opposed to waiting outside for back up. is that accurate?

[MarSolo]

Let’s not forget that up until recently, we had Republican members of the House wearing AR-15 pins.

 

How do we change the culture? Can we start shaming gun users as pussies who are too afraid to use their hands?

[SuperSpreader]

15 minutes ago, MarSolo said:

Let’s not forget that up until recently, we had Republican members of the House wearing AR-15 pins.

 

How do we change the culture? Can we start shaming gun users as pussies who are too afraid to use their hands?

 

I think it's just American culture. It's a selfish culture, I think the same drive to buy an overpriced SUV and the desire for firearms or trampling people on black Friday and denying people healthcare comes from the same place.

[Zaku3]

45 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said:

 

I think it's just American culture. It's a selfish culture, I think the same drive to buy an overpriced SUV and the desire for firearms or trampling people on black Friday and denying people healthcare comes from the same place.

 

Everyone sees themselves as an island and we are one of the first nations born out of the enlightment explains that. 

[ort]

New narrative is that the entire left is now anti-christian because they are mocking the "thoughts and prayers" response of Right Wingers.

 

Also, since this is a trans/gay kid shooting up a Christian school, this is now a HUGE deal, as opposed to all of the other shootings which just get washed downstream in their nonstop slurry of bullshit culture war anger porn they usually pump down the throats of their dipshits idiot followers like geese being force-fed to make Foie Gras...

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

24 minutes ago, ort said:

New narrative is that the entire left is now anti-christian and prayer because they are mocking the "thoughts and prayers" response of Right Wingers.

 

Also, since this is a trans/gay kid shooting up a Christian school, this is now a HUGE deal, as opposed to all of the other shootings which just get washed downstream in their nonstop slurry of bullshit culture war anger porn they usually pump down the throats of their dipshits idiot followers like geese being force-fed to make Foie Gras...

oh this is Christmas for right wing, because for once the assailant didn’t come from their flock. Not only that but it was their current boogie man, a transgender person. So now transgender people are not only a danger to mutilating themselves, but also a danger to society. Christians are happy to finally be a real victim. 
 

if school shootings continue to be inevitable, I hope conservative Christian schools get the honor of being the only victims. I’m sure nothing would make them happier to be really persecuted for their God. 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

if school shootings continue to be inevitable, I hope conservative Christian schools get the honor of being the only victims.

This is vile and you should be ashamed

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

1 minute ago, sblfilms said:

This is vile and you should be ashamed

Im not hoping for school shootings. I’d be happiest if one never happens again ever. But if they are going to still happen, I’d rather they happen at schools where their people get enjoyment out of it.

 

maybe their people will get tired of it happening and theyll be forced to take a stance of change to finally take meaningful action to stop these shootings. ..or everyone will unenroll from Christian schools. Whatever stops the shootings. 

[BloodyHell]

3 hours ago, MarSolo said:

 

 

How do we change the culture? Can we start shaming gun users as pussies who are too afraid to use their hands?

depends, are you an elementary student? 

 

Until a government has true widespread support across the country, there is no chance of fixing the second amendment. Democrats would need to hold almost everything, almost everywhere.  And a left leaning supreme court. 

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

3 hours ago, MarSolo said:

Let’s not forget that up until recently, we had Republican members of the House wearing AR-15 pins.

 

How do we change the culture? Can we start shaming gun users as pussies who are too afraid to use their hands?

there would never or could never be an event big enough to happen to change the minds of the very people who’s minds need to be changed. And even if there were enough politicians who really truly, even secretly wanted to vote to ban all guns, they’re too afraid of losing their political job to do the right thing. 

[BloodyHell]

21 hours ago, TheShader said:

There's a few problems at play here, though.

 

 

 

3) There is a larger systemic issue of news reporters ONLY reporting someone's demographic if and when they turn out to be from one or more minority groups. We have a huge problem in which 'White Christian male shoots up mall' almost never makes the headlines, but 'Black Muslim man arrested for murdering his wife' constantly does. This hurts these minority groups as it builds a stigma over time that they are a larger 'threat' to God-fearing-innocent-white-Americans™ even when the statistics do not back up this claim. People don't read statistics, they read headlines.

 

I mean, you're correct about the other stuff, but you're wrong about this. The media is extremely quick to point out when a shooter is a white, conservative, male. And rightfully so. I don't know how you can pretend that when there's a white shooter, every detail isn't poured over and made a headline??

[Ghost_MH]

28 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

Im not hoping for school shootings. I’d be happiest if one never happens again ever. But if they are going to still happen, I’d rather they happen at schools where their people get enjoyment out of it.

 

maybe their people will get tired of it happening and theyll be forced to take a stance of change to finally take meaningful action to stop these shootings. ..or everyone will unenroll from Christian schools. Whatever stops the shootings. 

 

That wouldn't make a dent in things. The only kind of school shooting that could probably move the needle is if there were a rash of school shooting at those posh, private schools all the big donors send their kids and grandkids to.

[BloodyHell]

In other weird happenings, Resetera completely scrubbed all talk of this shooting when it came out the shooter might be trans. That's some pretty cowardly stuff. They could have stopped members from conflating their identity with their crime, but this pretending things aren't happening is getting ridiculous. 

[DarkStar189]

3 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

That wouldn't make a dent in things. The only kind of school shooting that could probably move the needle is if there were a rash of school shooting at those posh, private schools all the big donors send their kids and grandkids to.

Pretty much. Until it actually affects THEIR daily life they will continue to kick the can down the road for years to come.

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

2 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

That wouldn't make a dent in things. The only kind of school shooting that could probably move the needle is if there were a rash of school shooting at those posh, private schools all the big donors send their kids and grandkids to.

maybe we can get everyone to agree to just not shoot up schools, but instead only target parents at home and work during the day. It may make some orphans, but stop child murder. Then maybe eventually Republican parents will come around out of self preservation, or it won’t matter because voting demographics changed enough.  

[chakoo]

6 minutes ago, BloodyHell said:

In other weird happenings, Resetera completely scrubbed all talk of this shooting when it came out the shooter might be trans. That's some pretty cowardly stuff. They could have stopped members from conflating their identity with their crime, but this pretending things aren't happening is getting ridiculous. 

 

Nah it's still there. It's just been moved to a members only section were sensitive topics get moved to.