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2 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

this has been going on for awhile and liberals have no way to respond to it

 

I mean...the response is that the progressive position has always been economic equality. Or are you one of those people that now thinks "liberal" means "right-of-centre moderate swine"?

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3 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

I mean...the response is that the progressive position has always been economic equality. Or are you one of those people that now thinks "liberal" means "right-of-centre moderate swine"?

 

Hopefully the poor kids don't grow up to be moderate Democrats.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sweeping-plans-from-2020-contenders-come-with-trillion-dollar-price-tags/ar-AACAb5I?ocid=AMZN

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Washington Gov. Jay Inslee's "Global Climate Mobilization" plan, hailed by environmental activists as the gold standard, would cost the U.S. government $3 trillion over the next decade.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (Mass.) proposal to eliminate tuition at public colleges and erase existing student debt carries a $1.25 trillion price tag.

And Sen. Bernie Sanders's (I-Vt.) "Medicare for All" bill, cosponsored by four other 2020 Democrats, would require $32 trillion in government spending, according to one study.

The Democrats have proposed a raft of smaller plans as well, such as Sen. Kamala Harris's (Calif.) plan to raise teacher pay or Sen. Cory Booker's (N.J.) proposal to make rent more affordable through housing credits, both of which reach into the hundreds of billions.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) has pushed the debate further, saying recently that the U.S. must spend $10 trillion to effectively combat climate change.

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“I know it’s a ton,” she said. “I don’t think anyone wants to spend that amount of money, it’s not a fun number to say, I’m not excited to say we need to spend $10 trillion on climate, but … it’s just the fact of the scenario.”

“It’s not popular, it’s not politically popular. People are going to call it unrealistic, and I just don’t think people understand how bad the problem is,” she added.

Her Green New Deal plan gives insight into what climate alarmists believe needs to be done to save the planet from imminent doom.

The Green New Deal removes all debate, asserting that “human activity is the dominant cause of observed climate change over the past century.” It poses climate change as a “direct threat” to national security and calls to eliminate “pollution and greenhouse gas emissions” and ultimately fossil fuels by 2030.

Recently, Ocasio-Cortez issued glowing praise to Washington Gov. Jay Inslee’s (D) plan to combat climate change, calling it the “gold standard.” He’s calling for 100 percent renewable energy by 2035. Former Vice President Joe Biden’s (D) plan calls for $5 trillion in spending and aims to reach net-zero carbon by 2050.

Ocasio-Cortez believes his timeline is too long.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/447077-ocasio-cortez-10-trillion-needed-for-effective-climate-plan

I agree we probably need to spend at least $10 Trillion to fight global warming.The 2050 goal should be moved up to 2030 imo.

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1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said:

By 2050 we probably need to be net negative by a lot.

We basically have to decarbonize our industrial revolution, and probably some of countries who can't afford such things.

 

This is a great place for government to step in to make up for corrupt or noncompliant countries

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1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said:

Only Andrew Yang that I'm aware of.

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Yang's platform is based around three major concepts: Universal Basic Income, Medicare for All, and "Human-Centered Capitalism". His platform also includes numerous other proposals, however; over one hundred policies are listed on his campaign website.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang_2020_presidential_campaign

 

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/carbon-fee-dividend/

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We need to have companies internalize the cost of carbon emissions to provide incentives for them to innovate and invest in cleaner technologies and processes.  If you are pumping carbon into the atmosphere you should pay your fellow citizens for it as we all pay for it in the end. We also need to transfer the benefits to citizens directly and use the money to improve the efficiency and availability of renewable energy.

 

GOALS

Lower reliance on fossil fuels

Combat global warming

Provide benefits directly to Americans, who suffer the negative effects of industrial fossil fuel use

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/

Sounds like the president we need!

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Sanders to give speech defending democratic socialism

 

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The speech on Wednesday at George Washington University will address how “democratic socialism is the only way to defeat oligarchy and authoritarianism,” according to a press release from his campaign. 

Sanders “will make the case that a strong grassroots campaign based on these progressive values is the only way to confront oligarchy and authoritarianism and defeat Donald Trump,” the release states.

 

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13 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

Practical Democrats™️

Practical pols know climate change is an electoral loser until people actually start perceiving that climate change is affecting their lives. (even if it’s a real problem)

 

This is evinced by election outcomes in places like Europe and Australia where candidates who focused big time on the issue lost amongst working class voters.

 

Unfortunately, until Lake Michigan has risen up to the roof of his house and Florida has been reclaimed by the Gulf, I think John Blue Collar Doe just isn’t that concerned—or is skeptical about the existence of—climate change.  He cares more about whose going to boost his wages the most, and just doesn’t see a connection between those ‘bread-and-butter’ issues and climate change. (Yet)

 

And as 2016 showed, the dems need the blue collar vote to win the Rust Belt.

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I'm not necessarily a fan of Biden, but what would you all prefer? As much as I'd like those who supported Trump to get the :guillotine:, :p I don't think it's going to win him any votes to say so.  This seems like just a political line to me. 

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17 minutes ago, Massdriver said:

Biden thinks that everything the GOP is doing is related to Trump. He doesn't realize that the GOP base is going to expect Republicans to stay the course after Trump leaves. 

It's really as simple as not understanding that Trump is a symptom, not the cause, of what the Republicans are for or doing.

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1 hour ago, Massdriver said:

Biden thinks that everything the GOP is doing is related to Trump. He doesn't realize that the GOP base is going to expect Republicans to stay the course after Trump leaves. 

And that short of being in jail, Trump is going to own the Republican Party by being the most politically active former President ever. Everyday tweeting, going on Fox, holding rallies. His hold over the Party is entirely over his control over the base, that's not going to go away. 

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