Joe Biden beats Donald Trump, officially making Trump a one-term twice impeached, twice popular-vote losing president

[SaysWho?]

4 minutes ago, Anathema- said:

 

lmfao 

 

Gawd, I totally agree with, "Not enough running for Senate." In Delaney's case, I get it: it's fully Democratic, there is no Republican pickup opportunity. For some of the others, meh. Castro and Beto are both running for president when at least one should run for Senate.

[SaysWho?]

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan says he won't run against President Trump, forms bipartisan advocacy organization

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Just now, SaysWho? said:

 

Gawd, I totally agree with, "Not enough running for Senate." In Delaney's case, I get it: it's fully Democratic, there is no Republican pickup opportunity. For some of the others, meh. Castro and Beto are both running for president when at least one should run for Senate.

I'm guessing for those two it's the Spiderman jpg where they're pointing at each other on who should run

[Anathema-]

We need to have a national figure just campaigning for the senate as an institution.  Have them cut promos against republican use of power. Give them a championship belt and an entrance theme. Give them a finishing move. 

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Just now, Anathema- said:

We need to have a national figure just campaigning for the senate as an institution.  Have them cut promos against republican use of power. Give them a championship belt and an entrance theme. Give them a finishing move. 

Just make it Dwayne Johnson

[Anathema-]

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Just make it Dwayne Johnson

 

1,000% in

[Anathema-]

the people’s elbow legislative priorities 

[Remarkableriots]

11 minutes ago, Anathema- said:

We need to have a national figure just campaigning for the senate as an institution.  Have them cut promos against republican use of power. Give them a championship belt and an entrance theme. Give them a finishing move. 

[CitizenVectron]

9 hours ago, johnny said:

 

 

[SaysWho?]

Couple of items.

 

First, Republicans for the Rule of Law will be running a shorter version of this ad:

 

 

[SaysWho?]

Second, Biden and Warren release climate change plans.

 

Biden's:

 

 

Warren's:

 

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Under the umbrella of a Green New Deal, Warren is pitching a “Green Apollo Program” to invest in clean energy technology and a “Green Marshall Plan” devoted to encouraging countries to buy U.S.-made clean energy technologies.

 

Warren also said she would aim to replace the Commerce Department with a “Department of Economic Development” to oversee a new national jobs strategy as part of a new “economic patriotism,” also as part of the Green New Deal.

 

“With big and bold investments in American research, American industry, and American workers, we can lead the global effort to combat climate change — and create more than a million good jobs here at home,” Warren said in a Medium post released Tuesday.

 

[SaysWho?]

Delaney responded to AOC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would love to see a debate like this, tbh. I still laughed at this response, though:

 

 

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Lol

 

[SaysWho?]

2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Lol

 

 

Can someone catch me up on how he managed to be this unpopular with his own party's voters?

[SaysWho?]

Buttigieg: I wouldn't have pressured Franken to resign

 

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“I think it was his decision to make” to resign, Buttigieg said. “But I think the way that we basically held him to a higher standard than the GOP does their people has been used against us.”

 

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But when pressed about Franken, Buttigieg said that if he had been in the Senate then, he “would not have applied that pressure at that time, before we knew more.” Buttigieg added that “it’s not a bad thing that we hold ourselves to a higher standard.”

 

Gillibrand defends calling for Franken to resign after Buttigieg comments

 

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"Eight credible allegations of sexual harassment, two since he was elected senator, and one from a congressional staffer," Gillibrand said in a statement shared on Twitter. "That is not too high a standard, regardless of how the Republican Party handles this behavior, and worse. Yes, it was Senator Franken’s decision alone to leave the Senate — a path he ultimately chose — but for many senators, including myself and others in this primary field, that was not too high a of a bar to raise our voices and make clear we value women."

 

Speaking of Gillibrand, on her town hall on Fox News:

 

 

[Massdriver]

@SaysWho?,

 

I don't see what Delaney said wrong. Bernie and AOC have made it seem like M4A is the only way to achieve universal health insurance. Many other developed nations achieve universal coverage through other methods that don't result in abolishing private insurance and all options should be on the table, not just the one Bernie and AOC like. The UK even allows a private system to exist along side their public system, and they have a national hospital system.

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32 minutes ago, Massdriver said:

@SaysWho?,

 

I don't see what Delaney said wrong. Bernie and AOC have made it seem like M4A is the only way to achieve universal health insurance. Many other developed nations achieve universal coverage through other methods that don't result in abolishing private insurance and all options should be on the table, not just the one Bernie and AOC like. The UK even allows a private system to exist along side their public system, and they have a national hospital system.

 

While M4A under Bernie would abolish private insurance (not an idea I support even though our work insurance is the drizzling shits this year), striving for M4A should be the goal, including private insurance being available.

 

The problem people have with him is saying it's not good politics, rejecting it wholesale, and trying to diminish it wholesale with Republican talking points because Democrats suck at running against each other.

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41 minutes ago, Massdriver said:

@SaysWho?,

 

I don't see what Delaney said wrong. Bernie and AOC have made it seem like M4A is the only way to achieve universal health insurance. Many other developed nations achieve universal coverage through other methods that don't result in abolishing private insurance and all options should be on the table, not just the one Bernie and AOC like. The UK even allows a private system to exist along side their public system, and they have a national hospital system.

 

I agree, though I think the idea here that is going unsaid is that you can’t compromise before you even start negotiating. Go for the gusto and then attain the truly achievable. 

[Jwheel86]

The opposition to M4A should offer a plan then, not generalities. Universal Healthcare models do work but are highly regulated and have price controls for services. That would be nightmare to mold the current system into given the power of the healthcare lobby who will slowly kill it. 

[Massdriver]

4 hours ago, sblfilms said:

 

I agree, though I think the idea here that is going unsaid is that you can’t compromise before you even start negotiating. Go for the gusto and then attain the truly achievable. 

I don't consider it a compromise to talk about systems that seem to work just as well as M4A. The goal is to help as many people as possible. The world has already proven that there are other ways to do this than M4A. I guess I don't understand why the goal must be M4A. 

 

4 hours ago, Jwheel86 said:

The opposition to M4A should offer a plan then, not generalities. Universal Healthcare models do work but are highly regulated and have price controls for services. That would be nightmare to mold the current system into given the power of the healthcare lobby who will slowly kill it. 

Allowing a public option and adding more regulations would be less of a nightmare than passing Bernie's M4A. I'm not sure in what world everyone lives in that a bill abolishing private insurance passes easier. 

 

Why not go for the Wyden healthcare bill from back in 2009-2010, but allow insurance companies to sell across state lines under Federal mandates and regulations? Control drug prices and prices on services. This would allow giant national sized pools and more competition. All the while, allow Medicare/Medicaid for anyone who wants it and provide good subsides and tax credits to individuals/families so their insurance plan is portable, giving them more leverage for increased wages and other forms of employment.

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Plagiarism charge hits Biden climate change plan

Former Vice President Joe Biden’s campaign came under fire on Tuesday for putting out a $1.7 trillion climate change plan that appeared to copy a handful of passages from previously published documents.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Massdriver said:

I don't consider it a compromise to talk about systems that seem to work just as well as M4A. The goal is to help as many people as possible. The world has already proven that there are other ways to do this than M4A. I guess I don't understand why the goal must be M4A. 

 

Allowing a public option and adding more regulations would be less of a nightmare than passing Bernie's M4A. I'm not sure in what world everyone lives in that a bill abolishing private insurance passes easier. 

 

Why not go for the Wyden healthcare bill from back in 2009-2010, but allow insurance companies to sell across state lines under Federal mandates and regulations? Control drug prices and prices on services. This would allow giant national sized pools and more competition. All the while, allow Medicare/Medicaid for anyone who wants it and provide good subsides and tax credits to individuals/families so their insurance plan is portable, giving them more leverage for increased wages and other forms of employment.

From a policy perspective that could work fine, but not in the context of US politics. The Federal regulations would eventually be gutted sending it back to the States, creating a race to the bottom where every insurance carrier is now based in Alabama selling plans nationwide that conform to only Alabama regulations. Subsidies would be cut or reformulated and Under 65 Medicare would be manipulated to be uncompetitive with private insurance. Universal Healthcare needs to be done in such a way that it becomes a 3rd rail like Social Security or Medicare. 

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11 hours ago, Massdriver said:

I don't consider it a compromise to talk about systems that seem to work just as well as M4A. The goal is to help as many people as possible. The world has already proven that there are other ways to do this than M4A. I guess I don't understand why the goal must be M4A. 

 

Allowing a public option and adding more regulations would be less of a nightmare than passing Bernie's M4A. I'm not sure in what world everyone lives in that a bill abolishing private insurance passes easier. 

 

Why not go for the Wyden healthcare bill from back in 2009-2010, but allow insurance companies to sell across state lines under Federal mandates and regulations? Control drug prices and prices on services. This would allow giant national sized pools and more competition. All the while, allow Medicare/Medicaid for anyone who wants it and provide good subsides and tax credits to individuals/families so their insurance plan is portable, giving them more leverage for increased wages and other forms of employment.

This is when Gary Oldman starts screaming "When will the lesson be learned!"   

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11 hours ago, Massdriver said:

I don't consider it a compromise to talk about systems that seem to work just as well as M4A. The goal is to help as many people as possible. The world has already proven that there are other ways to do this than M4A. I guess I don't understand why the goal must be M4A. 

 

Allowing a public option and adding more regulations would be less of a nightmare than passing Bernie's M4A. I'm not sure in what world everyone lives in that a bill abolishing private insurance passes easier. 

 

Why not go for the Wyden healthcare bill from back in 2009-2010, but allow insurance companies to sell across state lines under Federal mandates and regulations? Control drug prices and prices on services. This would allow giant national sized pools and more competition. All the while, allow Medicare/Medicaid for anyone who wants it and provide good subsides and tax credits to individuals/families so their insurance plan is portable, giving them more leverage for increased wages and other forms of employment.

 

He's not doing that, though; he's dismissing it wholesale. He doesn't even go, "Medicare-for-All could work but we need to keep a private option." I know some sticklers want to get rid of private insurance completely, but I don't care what their definition is; M4A with private insurance is what I consider ideal. If they think a private option means it's no longer M4A, then screw 'em.

 

It's this entire thing where the "moderates" just dismiss something completely and pull GOP talking points about "kicking people off their insurance" without putting it into context or saying "socialism isn't the answer" while promising to protect huge government programs. They could be helping to shape the conversation for Democrats, but they instead feed into Republican narrative. These guys haven't learned anything in the past few decades. They did the same thing in the 2000s, talking about how the "far-left" represented weakness abroad and that people against the Iraq War were out of the mainstream.

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8 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

 

 

I expect Warren (who is his real competitor, I think) to jump on this.

[RedSoxFan9]

 

worst pundit in the country 

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4 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

 

This primary is going to be extremely interesting to see who controls the Democratic party, centrists or those on the hard left. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

I see nothing wrong with the Hyde amendment

[Chris-]

10 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I see nothing wrong with the Hyde amendment

The fact it makes exceptions for rape/incest is reason enough; stop giving anti-abortion activists a pass from putting their misogyny and barbarity on display.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

29 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I see nothing wrong with the Hyde amendment

I'm pretty much of the same mindset.

[SaysWho?]

I didn't know in which thread to post this, but with talking heads getting giddy over Trump's Normandy speech, no lessons have been learned going into 2020.

 

 

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[Chris-]

Warren Warriors offer you fresh homemade pie, pour-over coffee, and talk to you politely -but passionately- about why paid parental leave is necessary and feasible. 

 

Bernie Bros offer you an open bag of Doritos, a crusty jizz rag to wipe off your face, and blow smoke from an American Spirit in your face while they talk about beheading Jeff Bezos. 

[SaysWho?]

She has the right idea. Dems can get so scared of taking the "unpopular" position even though so many of them eventually become popular. Her ability to break down the issues is impressive. 

 

I look forward to the debates so we can finally get all of them talking on the same stage.