Mercury33 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Haha yeah CS Lewis certainly had zero issues using allegory in his works 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 8 hours ago, sblfilms said: At least one person is Poor choice of words but I maintain it’s the primary one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Poor choice of words but I maintain it’s the primary one! I see it primarily as an allegory for the Vedic concept of maya. The trans reader is just one small piece of the much bigger idea that the world around us is an illusion and that nothing is as it seems to be. Maya (religion) - Wikipedia EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 12/6/2021 at 1:08 PM, Mercury33 said: Dont watch it. I still don’t 100% know what this is about but the last two trailers def give you a pretty solid look at the main theme. If you like that feeling of knowing I’d imagine discovering that theme for the first time while watching the actual movie would be pretty awesome. That being said, that trailer was INCREDIBLE I ended up giving in and watching it. I don't think it really gives too much away, though if I were super spoilerphobic I might have been upset by a reveal or too. Great trailer, but still nothing beats the first trailer for me. Maybe one of the best trailers in quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 The first critic "reactions" are in, so read at your own peril! 'The Matrix Resurrections:' First reactions are in WWW.CNN.COM Which pill will you take, love it or hate it? ‘The Matrix Resurrections’ First Reactions: Bold Hollywood Sequel or Meta Headache? WWW.INDIEWIRE.COM The latest entry in the "Matrix" franchise has finally screened, and here's what people have to say. 15 Tweets From People Who've Already Seen "The Matrix Resurrections" To Get You Pumped WWW.BUZZFEED.COM Whoa... The First Matrix: Resurrections Reactions Are Here GIZMODO.COM Sounds like Lana Wachowski has made a romantic, meta sequel for the ages. ‘Matrix Resurrections’: Early Reactions to the Film Hit Social Media WWW.HOLLYWOODREPORTER.COM A host of critics, bloggers and entertainment journalists are posting their thoughts on the fourth film in the 'Matrix' franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 Seems like reviews are all over the place on this one. Maybe I will err on the side of caution & watch it first on HBOMax prior to going forward & getting a theater ticket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 hours ago, SoberChef said: Seems like reviews are all over the place on this one. Maybe I will err on the side of caution & watch it first on HBOMax prior to going forward & getting a theater ticket? Cloud Atlas all over again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Reputator said: Cloud Atlas all over again? I think this probably sets good expectations for how divided the reaction will be. I very much enjoyed Cloud Atlas 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 5 hours ago, SoberChef said: Seems like reviews are all over the place on this one. Maybe I will err on the side of caution & watch it first on HBOMax prior to going forward & getting a theater ticket? The reviews are divisive, but those that like this movie LOVE it. I feel like when there is a divisive reaction for a movie I’m looking forward to I still try to see it in the best format available. So even if I don’t like it, I can at least say I gave it the best shot possible. I think it will play well on a big screen regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Komusha said: The reviews are divisive, but those that like this movie LOVE it. I feel like when there is a divisive reaction for a movie I’m looking forward to I still try to see it in the best format available. So even if I don’t like it, I can at least say I gave it the best shot possible. I think it will play well on a big screen regardless. Your infectious optimism is a GOOD THING! Thank you for chiming in with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 39 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I think this probably sets good expectations for how divided the reaction will be. I very much enjoyed Cloud Atlas 👀 Yeah I liked it too. Only saw it once though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Cloud Atlas I really enjoyed but I 100% could understand why it was divisive and how someone could dislike it. Last Jedi I loved but 100% could not understand people that didn’t like it and when they try to explain I just assume they’re morons and incapable of rational thought. So I’m curious which of those two forms of divisive it will be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Cloud Atlas was disappointing to me because I had actually read the book and they changed things especially the ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Based on who is reacting and how, I cannot wait for this to come out. As a fan of chud schadenfreude, I have high hopes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShreddieMercury Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Considering how homogeneous the majority of hollywood movies are these days, there is practically zero chance that I won't enjoy something that's taking huge swings like this. There is nothing that the Wachowski's have done that I haven't at the very least really appreciated if not outright loved, and The Matrix is probably a top five all time favorite of mine. It's also easily the most exciting theater experience I've ever had. That said, what the fuck is up with these twitter "reactions" for every movie? "OMG you guys I LAUGHED and I also CRIED so hard and I have a totally new perspective on existence now". The hyperbole is just hilarious, and it's particularly dialed up with anything Marvel related. I can't believe we're getting a new Matrix movie in two days, and we somehow also got four hours of MacGruber already. 2021 is redeemed at the last minute. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 My spoiler free review: It was good. I enjoyed it a lot actually. If anything, I was expecting it to be way more meta than it actually was. Sadly at no point does Lana Wachowski appear as herself and lecture the audience at length about chud appropriation of the term redpill. To that end I don't even know how someone can be genuinely angry at it either, it's not as much of an outright fuck you to reactionary conservatism as early whispers lead me to hope. It feels like the Matrix ditched half baked pseudo -philosophy to focus on nostalgia and human connection both in how those can be good and bad. Really the only complaint I have is that while it still brings back many gorgeous practical effects, and while CGI has become dramatically better in the intervening years, big graphics setpieces still have a fraction of the impact of the original. The Matrix made you wonder how the fuck they were doing these things, now you know it's just computers spitting this stuff out and it just kind of melts together. Big fights without a single actual human or real life location don't move the needle for me anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 I... think I liked it? I kind of feel like that's how I always feel after a Wachowski movie, at least for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Just finished it... I didn't hate it. Will need to watch it again, but be clear... I don't think this is a good movie. There are parts I definitely liked and parts I was like wtf? Hugo Weaving would have made this SOOOO much better though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Hugo Weaving would have made this SOOOO much better though. This applies to most movies and, I imagine, dinner parties. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 But mommy I wanted my Hugo for Christmas! I'll probably watch either tonight or tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Yeah, I don't really know what to make of it at this point. Certain parts were annoying and I kind of... Don't get the point I guess? My brain still tells me I enjoyed it overall, though. I'm just not sure why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 i liked this movie! i appreciate the wachowskis so much (i know only lana worked on this). i liked the story but thought the combat was a bit of a let down, but i don’t necessarily blame them for that. shit was different when the trilogy came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 6 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: Just finished it... I didn't hate it. Will need to watch it again, but be clear... I don't think this is a good movie. There are parts I definitely liked and parts I was like wtf? Hugo Weaving would have made this SOOOO much better though. And Laurence Fishburne. That's right I'm still beating that drum! But also everything can potentially be made better with Laurence Fishburne. 8 hours ago, LazyPiranha said: My spoiler free review: It was good. I enjoyed it a lot actually. If anything, I was expecting it to be way more meta than it actually was. Sadly at no point does Lana Wachowski appear as herself and lecture the audience at length about chud appropriation of the term redpill. To that end I don't even know how someone can be genuinely angry at it either, it's not as much of an outright fuck you to reactionary conservatism as early whispers lead me to hope. It feels like the Matrix ditched half baked pseudo -philosophy to focus on nostalgia and human connection both in how those can be good and bad. Really the only complaint I have is that while it still brings back many gorgeous practical effects, and while CGI has become dramatically better in the intervening years, big graphics setpieces still have a fraction of the impact of the original. The Matrix made you wonder how the fuck they were doing these things, now you know it's just computers spitting this stuff out and it just kind of melts together. Big fights without a single actual human or real life location don't move the needle for me anymore. Being wowed by special effects is unfortunately one of the many joys that died with our childhoods. Not that we were all children when The Matrix came out... Alright better said, it's one of those nostalgic pieces of the past that we want to have back, and keep hoping to feel again, but now that literally anything is possible in film, it never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Perfecting deep fake stuff would probably still wow me. But who knows, maybe there’s some cool effect that hasn’t been invented yet that could still amaze people the way bullet time or the T1000 did. I put my trust in James Cameron to find a way haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dre801 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Did not like it. Matrix Revolutions is no longer the worst Matrix film. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, Dre801 said: Did not like it. Matrix Revolutions is no longer the worst Matrix film. Disagree...Revolutions is far worse than this. 1 hour ago, Mercury33 said: Perfecting deep fake stuff would probably still wow me. But who knows, maybe there’s some cool effect that hasn’t been invented yet that could still amaze people the way bullet time or the T1000 did. I put my trust in James Cameron to find a way haha I definitely think film and VFX can still wow us. There have been films since the Matrix that have wowed us with Special Effects work. The issues with this movie aren't just the lack of truly impressive VFX sequences and underwhelming action scenes. There's some weird pacing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 yeah i like this more than revolutions for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heydude93 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 On 12/22/2021 at 9:40 PM, Mercury33 said: Perfecting deep fake stuff would probably still wow me. But who knows, maybe there’s some cool effect that hasn’t been invented yet that could still amaze people the way bullet time or the T1000 did. I put my trust in James Cameron to find a way haha Convincingly aging and de-aging actors, brinking back those who have died to reprise roles (there's rightfully a debate on how ethical it is, but it will happen regardless) using their likeness for digital stunt doubles via deep fake technology or something like it, and bridging the uncanny valley for cgi creatures and animals is the next step. Most cgi beasts in live action films and TV still don't look and move quite right, and this is obviously even more true of actors' digital stunt doubles. Your mind can still tell the difference, even w/ the most convincing examples like that Bear in The Revenant. Once this is no longer the case, the potential of cgi will more or less be realized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 It was perfect. No notes. I can't wait to watch it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 That very last 20 or so seconds alongside the post-cred spot ... I mean if you want to call hitting a superhero landing while shattering both ankles & snapping your Achilles tendons in the process all for a hearty laugh is a success is a good thing then sure? OK I jest, but only to a point. The NPH moment that is the film's version of "You are all a disease." type condemnation definitely hit me hard but not as much so as Weaving's scene in the original. There are concepts here that are, good but seem sort of half baked I guess? The fight choreography wasn't bad, it was the editing & quick cuts as opposed to long static shots of the moves & that's a bit jarring for sure. There are times where it seems like it wants to present both cake & pie as well as eat them both whole (if that makes sense?) yet all without being filling from either ultimately. I did have a couple gasps, mouth claps, even a little welling of tears in the ducts but even that I cannot be certain if it was emotional manipulation or genuinely real. Then with that comes the double take of "OMG is it supposed to feel that way because its supposed to feel that way!?" or even "Is it meta on meta because I'm analyzing my moment to moment feelings, reactions, thoughts because that's what the film is mirroring?" I keep having a word echo in my mind: BIZARRE! This is worth rewatching certainly but I am absolutely ahving trouble really nailing down a solid stance on my sentiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (Every time you have an emotional reaction to a film it's manipulation. That's literally what filmmaking is.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dre801 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 I'm gonna rewatch the first film to cleanse my pallet of this turd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 I liked it perfectly fine. Unfortunately the hype for this movie was so strong that anything less than promptly landing in my top 10 of the year was gong to feel like a disappointment. It’s definitely not as weird/meta as I was hoping for given the rumors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShreddieMercury Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 This was really disappointing. I thought the script for the first half was very strong and it was a genuinely clever way to continue the story, but outside of that, it feels and look like a direct-to-SyFy channel movie in comparison to the originals. I appreciate the middle finger approach to making a sequel, but this is just a sad shadow. The VFX weren't necessarily bad, but they have the same digital weightless, sloppy feeling that most modern movies suffer from. The original also has phenomenal cinematography, and really striking camerawork. Just compare the first scene with Trinity and this movie's opening recreation, it's brutal. It has a different visual style, and that's fine, but I couldn't feel any energy behind anything happening in Resurrections. The original movie, and even the less well-received sequels, had a wild creative charge that is completely absent here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 I’m definitely not surprised by the response! Will be interesting to see how opinions evolve over time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.