SuperSpreader Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, Chris- said: I do like the idea of a Sith analog to Yoda, that’s a pretty good idea. He's called Darth Vader bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: Yeah, the "Lost" guy does that and it was yet another "What the hell?" moment. This is especially ridiculous when the Jedi, the Force, etc. had essentially passed into myth and legend in The Force Awakens. Yeah it's ridiculous from a continuity perspective considering the events of *da da da daaaa* Return of the JEDI. And then TFA/TLJ tell us Luke was training new Jedi, spreading the gospel. Sadly the "myth" angle is purely for the audience, meant to play with our nostalgia, and not so coincidentally it's another thing TFA tried to rip off from ANH. Even after the prequels came out you could question if the Jedi should be mythical in the time ANH takes place, but you can make a better argument that it works because the entire goal of the Emperor was to destroy the Jedi and its legacy. But the opposite had been happening between the events of ROTJ and TFA, and the First Order did not have as wide of a reach as the Empire to spread such propaganda - not with the Republic still in tact who owes its very existence to Luke. What's crazier than this logic is... I still choke up a little bit when Han does go, "It's true, all of it." Shit hits me right in the childhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: Colin Trevorrow's script has allegedly leaked and it is VASTLY superior Some of that is pretty interesting. I have no faith that Trevorrow would have made a good film, but I prefer Kylo having killed Rey's parents over Rey being a Palpatine. Not that I actually like the idea that Kylo killed her parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, cusideabelincoln said: What's crazier than this logic is... I still choke up a little bit when Han does go, "It's true, all of it." Shit hits me right in the childhood. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdeaOfEvil Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Wasn't it leaked that Trevorrow and Kennedy first came at odds with each other over Luke being killed off? It makes me wonder how much of this script was worked on after he found out about Luke and before he was just let go by the mouse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Chris- said: I do like the idea of a Sith analog to Yoda, that’s a pretty good idea. I don't. It goes against the Rule of Two, that the master Sith teaches the apprentice, and then when the apprentice gets strong enough they take over, and get their own apprentice to teach. Having some old Sith mentor thing is weird. Sidious already had a master that he learned from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Should’ve just did Abeloth. #changemymind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Trevorrow's movie sounds so much better. Whether he would have directed it well is another question (never was excited about him), but that sounds like a story that was worth seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Also, Rogue One and Episode 9 are within a few hundred thousand dollars of each other. Rogue One's going to outgross Episode 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 17 hours ago, IdeaOfEvil said: Wasn't it leaked that Trevorrow and Kennedy first came at odds with each other over Luke being killed off? Not possible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 23 hours ago, Brick said: We've had an alleged Treverrow script leak before, and he himself confirmed it was fake, so let's wait a bit before we know definitively that this was his real script. It's true. All of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 The Alleged Trevorrow Script Would Have Prevented a Lot of the Problems of ‘Star Wars: Episode IX’ (The Ringer) Quote But even assuming the Reddit description of it is legit, there’s no guarantee it would’ve delivered a better onscreen experience than ‘The Rise of Skywalker’ Quote As Rey supposedly says to Luke, “Balance? The dark suffocates the light, light extinguishes the dark. Over and over and over again. How is that balance in the Force?” Good question! Rey continues to question Luke’s teachings, remarking, “So says my master, and his master before him. A thousand masters, so eager to tell us how to live.” In The Rise of Skywalker, the “thousand generations” of Jedi are what give Rey her power. Here, they’re bonds she must break to bring lasting balance. Along the same lines, Leia allegedly tells Rey, “You’re not like my father or my brother. You’re new. Whatever happens, remember the Force chose you, Rey. Your story isn’t written by anyone else.” Yep, that's EXACTLY the direction things should have gone in regard to the freakin' Jedi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 And I can see why Kennedy and Lucasfilm would have rejected it - they see redemption and the Jedi as the real stories and heroes of Star Wars, even though something new is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: And I can see why Kennedy and Lucasfilm would have rejected it - they see redemption and the Jedi as the real stories and heroes of Star Wars, even though something new is needed. They repeated the beats that the original trilogy already played out. As I've said before, based on what was happening in the comics and across the larger Star Wars Universe in the lead up to The Last Jedi, I believed the story WAS moving in the direction of achieving true balance in the force in that both light and dark would be needed to co-exist. I think after the backlash from Jedi, AND some comments from Lucas who has said there's not such thing as a "Grey Jedi", They backed away from that and probably told Treverrow they were "moving in another direction" which was "Play the greatest hits." And in came JJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Well now I'm just sad. Treverrow's movie might still have been bad, maybe even worse than TRoS, but at least it wouldn't have just reset everything after TLJ. Plus Kelly Marie Tran wouldn't have gotten shafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 47 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: The Alleged Trevorrow Script Would Have Prevented a Lot of the Problems of ‘Star Wars: Episode IX’ (The Ringer) Yep, that's EXACTLY the direction things should have gone in regard to the freakin' Jedi. Gee zuz, that all sounds great. The over-arching theme of Kylo Ren's descent -- being the antithesis of Luke (coming from something instead of nothing, struggling but choosing dark over light) -- would have been a fascinating 3-movie trilogy. Maybe it wouldn't have been directed well, but THIS is actually interesting lore. "RJ gave them nowhere to go." Apparently, Trevorrow found many ways to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I would have rather than a bad but interesting movie like Trevorrow's screenplay since it at least added to the overall story and lore, and kept it moving forward. What we got was just a rehash of old ideas, and not very interesting at all. Obviously the PT sucked balls outside of a few small things, but they added massively to the lore of Star Wars and expanded it in new directions. The ST has done basically nothing, and has somehow also made the intervening years between ROTJ and TFA completely boring and pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 In the end, I have absolutely zero idea as to what the overall "point" of the Sequel Trilogy ultimately was nor as to the state of the galaxy at its conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Just now, SFLUFAN said: In the end, I have absolutely zero idea as to what the overall "point" of the Sequel Trilogy ultimately was nor as to the state of the galaxy at its conclusion. to make money all hail our disney overlords Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 41 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: In the end, I have absolutely zero idea as to what the overall "point" of the Sequel Trilogy ultimately was nor as to the state of the galaxy at its conclusion. Based on the speed at which the movies took place and the apparent limit in power the FO had, it seems that most of the galaxy probably felt no effect at the war outside of the few we saw (or that were destroyed). TFA and TLJ take place over 10 days, and then TROS is a year later but makes clear that the FO only has limited abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Also, in case anyone wants to see what Star Wars fandom thought of the OT 36 years ago, someone dug up the old usenet logs in google groups from when ROTJ came out. Turns out fans were just as picky back then, we simply don't have as deep a recording of it: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/net.movies.sw Quote After seeing "Return of the Jedi" Wednesday, I was left with a question. I'm pretty sure that Episodes I, II, and II will be about Anakin (Darth Vader) Skywalker and how he was drawn to the Dark Side of the force (what is the offer he couldn't refuse?). But, what will Episodes VII, VIII, and IX be about? Will the Empire rise into power once more, lead by a sinister, new leader? Or will a new enemy terrorize the galaxy? Quote The ending, with ANOTHER Death Star explosion was trite. I could have written THAT plot. Quote Did I mention the two special effects I thought were clearly poor quality. One was the flame that came out of Jabba the Hutt's Land Barge when it was burning and before it exploded. Looked like a Bunsen Burner sized flame. Wrong Scale. The other was the explosion of the satellite-dish-like ground station for the Death Star II's force field. It wobbled like a plastic bowl before collapsing. I don't think it should have. Quote I think one thing which happened to Lucas was that there were all these deals made prior to completion of the film. There was no question that the film had to be ready for release by a certain date. It must have been awful. "No, we can't reshoot that special effect, it would take 3 more days and we don't have 3 days to spare" Quote I think JEDI has been a success so far because it is receiving the credits from the first two movies. It is LIKE those movies from the point of view of what appears on the screen--If they intercut scenes from the Empire Strikes Back and Star Wars with those of Return of the Jedi you would be hard pressed to say where they were from. The problem is that in Jedi the emotional content of the story is lost. It's played as though the audience didn't CARE about the deeper tones--the fatal flaw, a kid's movie made by adults who don't think kid's have discerning viewing capabilities. I'd really like to know what some kids say about the movie. There are of course some positive opinions in there too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 From this point onward, Colin Trevorrow's "Duel of the Fates" will be considered the canonical ending of the Sequel Trilogy on D1P. I have spoken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: They repeated the beats that the original trilogy already played out. As I've said before, based on what was happening in the comics and across the larger Star Wars Universe in the lead up to The Last Jedi, I believed the story WAS moving in the direction of achieving true balance in the force in that both light and dark would be needed to co-exist. I think after the backlash from Jedi, AND some comments from Lucas who has said there's not such thing as a "Grey Jedi", They backed away from that and probably told Treverrow they were "moving in another direction" which was "Play the greatest hits." And in came JJ. Not possible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Just now, 2user1cup said: Not possible! Did you have a stroke or did your account get hacked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 https://makingstarwars.net/2020/01/i-read-colin-trevorrow-and-derek-connollys-final-star-wars-episode-ix-script/ This is the final Episode IX script under Trevorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexy_shapiro Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I honestly keep forgetting I saw this a couple of weeks ago. Cats made way more of an impact on me than this nothing of a movie. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said: I honestly keep forgetting I saw this a couple of weeks ago. Cats made way more of an impact on me than this nothing of a movie. Ultimately, Cats will probably be the more memorable movie between the two to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said: I honestly keep forgetting I saw this a couple of weeks ago. Cats made way more of an impact on me than this nothing of a movie. 7 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Ultimately, Cats will probably be the more memorable movie between the two to be honest. This is what I said in the Cats thread: Future historians will produce many peer-reviewed, well-regarded academic treatises of how CATS: The Motion Picture was the living embodiment of the decline and fall of the American empire, culture, and society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: This is what I said in the Cats thread: Futurehistorians will produce many peer-reviewed, well-regarded academic treatises of how CATS: The Motion Picture was the living embodiment of the decline and fall of the American empire, culture, and society. I read that and find little I disagree with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: https://makingstarwars.net/2020/01/i-read-colin-trevorrow-and-derek-connollys-final-star-wars-episode-ix-script/ This is the final Episode IX script under Trevorrow. You can kinda feel the slow decay towards what we got in the end looking at the first draft to their last draft to the finished film. What a train wreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Did you have a stroke or did your account get hacked? u arguing the point I was making before and told me I was out of it for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, sblfilms said: You can kinda feel the slow decay towards what we got in the end looking at the first draft to their last draft to the finished film. What a train wreck. The guy who wrote broke down those scripts LOVED Rise of Skywalker btw and said we ultimately got "A Better film." All I can say is that Disney is lucky The Mandalorian and Jedi Fallen Order turned out so well. I've been having a blast with Battlefront too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: The guy who wrote broke down those scripts LOVED Rise of Skywalker btw and said we ultimately got "A Better film." All I can say is that Disney is lucky The Mandalorian and Jedi Fallen Order turned out so well. I've been having a blast with Battlefront too. The guy is the EIC of a major Star Wars fan site so I would take that into consideration of his sentiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: From this point onward, Colin Trevorrow's "Duel of the Fates" will be considered the canonical ending of the Sequel Trilogy on D1P. I have spoken. I decided this for myself as well, this afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 thread is changed to Duel of the Fates doesn't embed and automatically play the following video Jesus fucking christ, Wade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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