Movies ~*Colin Trevorrow's Star Wars: Episode IX - Duel of the Fates OT*~

[TheLeon]

I never understood the concept of hate-watching something until TROS hit Disney+, where I’ve watched it multiple times. It only gets worse. 

[ort]

It's the only Star Wars movie I have seen only once. I barely even remember what happens.

 

How they didn't have a cohesive plan in place for the sequels to the most popular movie franchise of all time is truly a head scratcher for the ages.

 

I mean, the plan was seriously... fuck it, let's just make it all up as we go!

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, ort said:

It's the only Star Wars movie I have seen only once. I barely even remember what happens.

 

How they didn't have a cohesive plan in place for the sequels to the most popular movie franchise of all time is truly a head scratcher for the ages.

 

I mean, the plan was seriously... fuck it, let's just make it all up as we go!

Besides series that are based on books, most film series (including the OT) were just made up as they go. 
 

The problem was never that they didn’t have a plan, it’s that they went with JJ to kick the series off, and then went back to him to finish it up. He just isn’t very good.

[Kal-El814]

18 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Besides series that are based on books, most film series (including the OT) were just made up as they go. 
 

The problem was never that they didn’t have a plan, it’s that they went with JJ to kick the series off, and then went back to him to finish it up. He just isn’t very good.

 

100% this.

[skillzdadirecta]

7 hours ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

This just reminds me how bad TROS was. I've only seen it once and I can't get myself to even try it again.

Same here.

[skillzdadirecta]

2 hours ago, Mercury33 said:

TROS is one of the few movies I actively hate and makes me angry while I’m watching it. 

It's actually worse the Rogue One 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Brick]

As I said in The Batman thread, Matt Reeves should have written/directed Episode IX. 

[Greatoneshere]

1 minute ago, Brick said:

As I said in The Batman thread, Matt Reeves should have written/directed Episode IX. 

 

I'd have Matt Reeves direct most genre fare if I could.

 

Hiring JJ, a man self-admittedly bad at endings, to end a trilogy and a 9-film series on a tight timeline = fail.

[Brick]

21 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

I'd have Matt Reeves direct most genre fare if I could.

 

Hiring JJ, a man self-admittedly bad at endings, to end a trilogy and a 9-film series on a tight timeline = fail.

 

He never should have done Episode VII to begin with, and I say that while still liking The Force Awakens. 

[Greatoneshere]

17 minutes ago, Brick said:

 

He never should have done Episode VII to begin with, and I say that while still liking The Force Awakens. 

 

I 100% agree, and I say that as someone who never liked TFA that much. He just changed the tone too much. I've told the story before here, but after TFA in theaters I literally walked out and the group I was with asked me how I felt and I was like: "what the fuck happened to, like, scenes?" I like Abrams before TROS, and I like TFA, but my God let some drama play out jesus christ. TROS was that times 1000. So bad.

[CitizenVectron]

Someone recut (and added entirely new CGI fixes/shots) to TROS to improve it:

 

The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) - Original Trilogy

ORIGINALTRILOGY.COM

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Cuts and Additions (changes for Version 2 indicated with asterisks)

1. Overall color correction using LUTs provided by skenera
2. Added a new opening crawl, thanks to Sir Ridley:
   • Episode IX
   • THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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   • Flames of rebellion burn across the galaxy. The tyrannical First Order has retaliated by attacking any planetary system that supports their enemy.
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   • As Rey, sole heir to the Jedi, continues her training, General Leia Organa sends her brave agents across the stars to unite the disparate worlds in the name of Resistance.
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   • Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing whispers of a hidden power that would allow him to destroy any threat to his rule…
3. Added a Wilhelm scream, somewhere in the film…
4. Added two new establishing shots to the opening Mustafar sequence to slow the pacing slightly, building on what was done for V1 (visual FX from poppasketti, Movies Remastered, NeverarGreat, and 21C Peasant as well as audio assistance from LILLIAN02230)*
5. Added a subtle call from Palpatine, saying "Find me," as Kylo Ren picks up the Wayfinder
6. Replaced the vat of cloned Snokes with cloned Palpatine's (FX by poppasketti)
7. Removed the slight electrical crackle as Palpatine reveals his hands (FX by skenera)
8. Moved Palpatine describing spirit transfer into his first scene, turning it into a warning to Kylo Ren and setting up stakes for later (RogueLeader idea)
9. Reordered opening scenes for a more logical progression and better pacing (Kylo Ren meets Palpatine > Rey trains > Falcon mission > Returning to base)
10. Moved the scene with Chewie, Poe, and Finn playing holochess to the end of the movie, with a shot having been modified here to depict dropping out of hyperspace (FX by poppasketti)
11. Replaced Finn's now first line "Artoo" with "Look sharp" (dgraham414 idea)
12. Removed lightspeed skipping sequence. It made no sense given how hyperspace has always been depicted, as quick travel, not teleportation. Now, the Falcon bursts through the ice wall while jumping to hyperspace, and the pursuing TIEs peel off, ending the scene (visual FX by poppasketti)
13. Only because he has no proper introduction and would appear suddenly due to other changes made, removed Klaud from a few shots (FX by poppasketti)
14. Moved Rey's repeat of "nothing's impossible" to after Leia hands her the saber to make it feel more endearing (Movies Remastered change)
15. The blue Skywalker lightsaber is now portrayed throughout the film with a somewhat 'cracked' appearance similar to Kylo Ren's in order to build on the conclusion to TLJ and reflect Rey's inner conflict (visual FX by kewlfish, Luke Frik, and Movies Remastered)*
16. The vision Rey experiences while training with the remote has been heavily modified to better establish her apprehension about the Sith throne, and separated from Kylo's vision (by DominicCobb)
17. During the vision, removed Rey's eyes appearing milky and glossed over (visual FX by NeverarGreat)*
18. Replaced Poe's lines, including "Somehow, Palpatine returned," with part of the Emperor's speech being played, implied to be part of the gathered intel
19. Removed a line of dialogue establishing an unnecessary 16-hour 'ticking clock' to the plot
20. Trimmed awkward dialogue between Leia and Rey as the two discuss going off to search for the Wayfinder (sherlockpotter idea)*
21. Kylo now has a vision separate from Rey's, before reforging his mask, better establishing his motivation for doing so (by DominicCobb)
22. Added the planet Coruscant to two shots during the scene with Kylo Ren in a boardroom on his Star Destroyer (visual FX by poppasketti)*
23. Redubbed the two stormtroopers who introduce the Knights of Ren (sherlockpotter and axlanian)*
24. Removed Poe's use of the word 'random.'
25. The puppet show now depicts Luke's feats at the Battle of Crait in TLJ, strengthening the idea that Luke's 'legend' has taken root in the galaxy and better setting up in conjunction with the following story beat Rey's identity formation at the end of the film (RogueLeader handmade and filmed puppet elements influenced by designs from CaptainFaraday and Cinefy, poppasketti and Movies Remastered provided a tedious clean backplate, and ThisIsCreation provided a new vocal dub for the alien narrator)*
26. Cut Rey saying "that's an excellent name." This statement felt overly modern.
27. After Kylo Ren says "I will find you," cut him saying "…and turn you to the dark side." It's implied that he will try to do that once he finds her, but why say it aloud? He should be trying to seduce her to the dark side and masking his intentions.
28. Moved the scene forward in which Rey's necklace is reported to be traced to Pasaana aboard the Star Destroyer, for better pacing. Trooper line modified not to show him reporting Rey and company's identities. (Ziggyonice idea)
29. Used a foreign language dub for a milder delivery of Lando's chauffeur's one line
30. Removed the "they fly now" gag
31. Removed Finn telling Rey he "never told you—" while the heroes sink in the quicksand, as well as two subsequent references to it
32. Removed Rey commenting that "horrible things" have happened with the dagger, to uncouple it from her parents' murders and allow her to sense the blade's pull to the darkness in keeping with a later change.*
33. Added a few lines of dialogue throughout the film to the Knights of Ren (sourced from project by axlanian and krausfadr, with voice recordings submitted by axlanian, krausfadr, Ben, axlanian's wife, poppasketti, DG) (Included an alternate audio track that omits these added lines.)
34. Extended the confrontation between Rey and Kylo's TIE in the desert using footage from the trailer (by DominicCobb)
35. Removed the explosion of Kylo Ren's TIE, though it still rolls after being sliced by Rey
36. After Kylo Ren's TIE is destroyed, for the remainder of the film his TIE is depicted with a differently color stripe (visual FX by poppasketti)*
37. Added new shot of Ochi's ship taking off with the heroes as Kylo Ren watches in order to slightly slow the pace (visual FX by poppasketti)
38. When Rey mentions her vision of seeing the Sith throne, she comments she saw herself on it, making no reference to Kylo Ren, for greater consistency with her vision as seen by the audience and connection to her inner conflict of identity (RogueLeader idea)*
39. Removed part of Poe's line about their efforts being for nothing, allowing 3PO's statement later to feel original to him
40. Reordered shots to show Rey contemplating before asking 3PO to consider going through with the memory wipe*
41. Chewie is not revealed to be alive until Rey senses him from Kijimi, and not seen until he is rescued by Poe and Finn. The reveal with Hux and Pryde has been replaced with the telepathic Palpatine-Kylo conversation from later. (Help and brief color correction from ziggyonice)
42. Zorri gives Poe a cold stare, muting her line about seeing his brains in the snow
43. Removed dialogue referencing R2 backing up 3PO's memory, which immediately destroyed any weight his sacrifice had before it had even happened, practically stating to the audience what will later happen.
44. Removed "from the Southern shore" from 3PO's recital of the Sith dagger inscription to better fit in with its altered characteristics.*
45. Extended the "squeaky wheel" sequence in order to slow the pace using footage from the bonus disc (audio help from LILLIAN2330, visual FX by poppasketti)
46. Replaced 3PO line starting with "Whoever this Chewie person is…" due to being one of a few clunky reminders that he had his memory erased (alternate line provided by Chase Adams)
47. Removed Finn yelling "POE!"
48. Removed another instance of the Sith dagger triggering a memory of her parents.*
49. Replaced Kylo Ren's line "I never lied to you" with "You were right" for more intuitive and precise continuity with TLJ even as the scene retcons it. In that film, it is Rey herself who supplies the information that her parents "were nobody." (Voice and audio work by poppasketti)
50. Removed Kylo Ren's line, "They sold you to protect you."*
51. Removed the single time either of Rey's parents called her by name, to allow for headcanon that Rey named herself*
52. Removed line from Rey's mother, "She's not on Jakku, she's gone." This paints Ochi as a moron not to have found Rey, and appears to have been included to explicitly harmonize with TLJ describing Rey's parents as being buried on Jakku. This is clunky and unnecessary, all the moreso because that line was omitted from this editor's TLJ project.
53. Replace 3PO/trooper dialogue to depict 3PO somewhat out of his element (by axlanian, replacing work from RogueLeader for V1)*
54. Removed single line "You are a Palpatine." The rest of the scene works well enough without this heavy-handed line.
55. Altered Kylo Ren's line to, "We've become a dyad in the Force," which feels like it builds on TLJ's ending (sherlockpotter)*
56. The moon containing the wreckage of the second Death Star has been recontextualized as Endor, replacing what was Endor with an ice moon during the space establishing shot and moving the Ewok snippet up from the film's climax. (Visual FX by poppasketti and snooker)
57. Replaced the obtuse reminder that 3PO had his memory erased in the form of a line "Is everyday like this for you people?" (alternate line provided by Chase Adams)
58. Removed Rey using the dagger as an impossible compass while surveying the wreckage of the second Death Star. 'Sith whispers' have been added strategically to imply the dagger mystically guiding her to the Wayfinder.
59. Added a brief musical allusion to 'Duel of the Fates' during the duel on the Death Star using music from Maul's scene in Solo (idea and help from Cinefy)
60. Added a subtle vocalization as Leia drops her headphones (idea and clip from JarJar Bricks)*
61. Trimmed Finn's final whimper of "Rey!" during the duel
62. Worked in the shot of Leia holding Han's medal from the trailer, which makes it clearer that she promoted Kylo's memory and sets up Chewie receiving it later which felt like it came out of nowhere (help from sade1212, idir_hh, and sherlockpotter)
63. Reordered the sequence of dialogue and action as Rey heals Ben's wound
64. Extended the establishing shot of Kylo during the Han scene by a few seconds to slow the pace (thanks to Luka Frik and Octorox)
65. Completely removed the destruction of Kijimi and the Resistance's reaction. This helps us imagine the Final Order as an Imperial stockpile since it was the only glimpse into them before the First Order arrives to help. It avoids yet another planet destruction, and generally smooths things over.
66. Softened the stark sound effect slightly as Luke catches the lightsaber, since he is immaterial
67. Regraded Ach-To sequence to take place at night, concluding at dawn (grading and rotoscoping by NeverarGreat)*
68. Added an additional establishing shot breaking up the Rey on Ahch-to scenes so it doesn't seem like she only spends a couple minutes on the island (modeled after DominicCobb's clip)
69. A porg sound continues to trail off after their single shot, to help them feel like they were really there
70. Reduced blue coloration to Luke's ghostly visage, slimmed him down somewhat, and shortened Mark Hammil's wig to better fit his prior appearances (NeverarGreat and jonh, respectively)*
71. Removed talk about Leia (and possibly Luke, depending on one's interpretation of the scene) having known about Rey being a Palpatine. In this version, Luke essentially tells Rey, "So what if you're a Palpatine?" It also seems to make a great deal more sense to assume they did not know this during the events of TFA and TLJ, with Luke learning this postmortem.
72. Leia's lightsaber blade has been recolored to purple throughout. Carrie Fisher expressed a preference for this color of saber in a TFA-era interview, and it is more visually striking in the Exegol setting which helps the audience track which saber is which, particularly following a restored Leia line before Rey prominently uses her saber. (FX by skenera)
73. Removed Luke mentioning Leia sensing "the death of her son" at the end of her Jedi path (sherlockpotter)*
74. Replaced Luke's line, "You'll take both sabers to Exegol," with, "We'll always be with you" (Movies Remastered, NeverarGreat, and ThisIsCreation)*
75. Added R2 and 3PO's prequel theme briefly during the memory restoration scene (Cinefy idea)
76. Removed Finn's line, "He wanted her alive," as part of an effort to smooth over Palpatine's motivations as initially grooming Kylo Ren and switching to Rey once Ben Solo had been redeemed.*
77. Removed the line about the Holdo maneuver. If it is something legitimate then someone who lives in that universe shouldn't have the same misconception as we may.
78. Removed the subtitle for Nien Nunb's one line. He was never subtitled in the past and it's not needed.
79. Slightly restructured the Exegol space battle's beginning to consolidate story threads (DominicCobb)*
80. Removed Finn telling BB8 "great job, buddy" during the mounted attack in order to preserve a sense of tension or seriousness
81. Removed Palpatine's lines, "I never wanted you dead, I wanted you here," and, "…for my grandchild to come home," to assist in smoothing Palpatine's motives to switching from grooming Kylo Ren to Rey once Ben Solo was redeemed.*
82. Replaced the Imperial TIE Kylo took to Exegol with Vader's TIE, because ANH had made a point to establish that TIEs don't have hyperdrives. (Was originally an Imperial shuttle in V1; FX by poppasketti)*
83. Trimmed a moment when Ben seems to wait for the Knight to hit his saber (David_B id
84. Added a small bit of score from ROTS as Palpatine absorbs the power of Rey and Ben's friendship (Cinefy idea)
85. Added a cacophony of voices to the appearance of the civilian fleet to the battle. Several craft can be heard signing in via comm, and a few cheer "For Skywalker!" during the charge in order to tie into Luke's Inspiring act at the Battle of Crait (thanks to axlanian for help mixing, and to the few dozen contributors who sent in recordings: poppasketti, AbramPT, Wesyeed, mrbenjamino, KieranKhalid, alastair, Anakin Skywalker, JKMaxx, Cinefy, Knight of Kalee, Chase, jonh, tobar, Doubleofive, Dana Domenick, Master Lawdog, Harmy, brewzter, Blake, Justin W, Reylochriso, Elia97963000, EllaLisa15, JediTwilight, deefayy, joelkarnold, AnEnemyAnemone, sixtailedcat, 5footwonderful, ThisIsCreation, CaptainFaraday, CaptainFaraday's mother, sherlockpotter, and Richard D)
86. Extended a space exterior shot using an ILM demo clip in order to remove Poe's line, "Every [underbelly cannon] we knock out is a world saved." (Visual FX to remove watermark by Sir Ridley, audio FX assisted by mrbenjamino)
87. Since Kijimi isn't destroyed, there's no need for Babu Frik to pop up only to show he's alive
88. Added a line during the spirits of the Jedi communing with Rey from the actor who portrayed the youngling in the Jedi Council chambers in Revenge of the Sith (enlisted by CaptainFaraday, voice by Ross Beadman)*
89. Added Leia concluding the Jedi voices with "always," taken from the trailer.
90. The ghostly visages of Yoda, Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Luke appear behind Rey and assist with overpowering the Emperor (incredible visual FX work from jonh)
91. V2 adjusts one particular shot of the four spirits (still jonh)*
92. Altered Rey's climactic line from, "I am all the Jedi," to simply, "I am a Jedi." (sade1212, CaptainFaraday, sherlockpotter)*
93. Added a subtle Sith scream effect as Palpatine explodes (Cinefy idea)*
94. Because the first Ewok shot was used earlier, Coruscant and Naboo have been added in its place in the planetary celebration montage (Coruscant FX by poppasketti, and Naboo FX by snooker and skenera)
95. The holochess scene between Chewie, Finn, and Poe has been moved to Tatooine
96. Added a subtle double rainbow to the first shot of the Lars homestead, originally inspired by a similar phenomena at that filming location as seen on the bonus material, rationalized into a deep cut reference to Leia's infantile destination of Alderaan, which sports a double rainbow in ROTS. (FX by poppasketti)
97. The quick light sequence when Rey ignites her yellow saber has been changed from blue and green to blue and purple to reflect Leia's new saber color, as the original was an homage to the two Skywalker sabers (visual FX by Burbin)*
98. The ghostly visage of a redeemed Ben Solo now accompanies the Skywalker twins during the final scene (visual FX by jonh)
99. Rey's delivery of her final line has been swapped with one from the behind the scenes bonus material that appeared more emotionally resonant, with the background modified to match the finished film (visual FX by poppasketti)
100. The final shot has been replaced with the Falcon taking off, flying toward the suns, and jumping to hyperspace. (FX by snooker and poppasketti)
101. The musical cue leading into the credits has been replaced with something more fitting that does not reuse the cue from the end of TFA (audio help from bbghost and sherlockpotter)

 

[SaysWho?]

18 hours ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Yeah, sounds about right. Watching TLJ vs. TROS is like night and day. Even if you don't like TLJ, TROS is just a fucking wreck and mess of a movie. Going from TLJ, a technical showcase that at least moves and plays like a real film, going from that to TROS is tonal whiplash I can't stomach.

The cinematography alone and the direction is leagues apart. You compare the you’re nothing but not to me scene to somehow Palpatine returned, it’s honestly amazing how much worse 9 is.

 

The only thing nine has going for it is that it’s in a trilogy where the acting is actually pretty consistent and I’d argue the trilogy has the best acting of all nine movies. So there are individual scenes that I enjoy, but on a whole it’s a mess and a pacing disaster. a pacing disaster. 

[skillzdadirecta]

Episode 9 is literally the only Star Wars movie I've only seen ONCE and have no desire to see again. I mean I've watched all of the others multiple times including Phantom menace, Attack of the Clones,  Solo and ugh... Rogue One 

[Reputator]

On 5/20/2022 at 4:03 PM, Greatoneshere said:

 

Yeah, sounds about right. Watching TLJ vs. TROS is like night and day. Even if you don't like TLJ, TROS is just a fucking wreck and mess of a movie. Going from TLJ, a technical showcase that at least moves and plays like a real film, going from that to TROS is tonal whiplash I can't stomach.

 

This is very true. The one thing Star Was fans can unite on.

[Brick]

It's easily the worst Star Wars movie. I saw the prequels when I was a kid/young teenager, so I liked them, and still kind of do even though now I can look back at them and see their faults. Thing is, the base story for them is good, it's just the execution could have used some work, and a team behind George Lucas to reign him in a bit, but you can see the love there. TRoS is just a complete and utter mess from top to bottom because of how rushed it was, and how incompetent the writing and directing is. Just bad choice after bad choice, but there's no time to fix it because it was already delayed once when Trevorrow was fired, so couldn't delay it again, right? Disney can't displease their shareholders. I bought the Blu-ray when it came out just to complete my collection, but it's still in the shrink wrap. 

[skillzdadirecta]

The problem with the prequels is that they were basically made for kids when a lot of the fanbase had grown up. They're fine if you think of them as kids' movies (except for Attack of the clones which is just pure dreck) but when they came out, most of the fans of the franchise were adults or young adults and wanted something more suited for THEIR tastes. Mandolorean ultimately delivered on that. Rise of Skywalker is just... bad. Despite the actors. Pure example of a move made by commitee. The movie is so bad it literally ruins the other two in the sequel trilogy. Which actually weren't bad at all. Last jedi being actually quite good.

[69los]

30 minutes ago, Brick said:

It's easily the worst Star Wars movie. I saw the prequels when I was a kid/young teenager, so I liked them, and still kind of do even though now I can look back at them and see their faults. Thing is, the base story for them is good, it's just the execution could have used some work, and a team behind George Lucas to reign him in a bit, but you can see the love there. TRoS is just a complete and utter mess from top to bottom because of how rushed it was, and how incompetent the writing and directing is. Just bad choice after bad choice, but there's no time to fix it because it was already delayed once when Trevorrow was fired, so couldn't delay it again, right? Disney can't displease their shareholders. I bought the Blu-ray when it came out just to complete my collection, but it's still in the shrink wrap. 

 

It's the only SW movie I don't own in physical form.

[SuperSpreader]

 

lol

[CayceG]

On 5/21/2022 at 8:52 AM, CitizenVectron said:

Someone recut (and added entirely new CGI fixes/shots) to TROS to improve it:

 

The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) - Original Trilogy

ORIGINALTRILOGY.COM

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This has me curious about how it turned out. Skimming these changes, this is the first time I've felt remotely interested in revisiting it. 

[GeneticBlueprint]

On 11/25/2021 at 1:45 AM, Jason said:

My best friend and his wife are naming their first child, a girl, Reyna. 

 

Yes, it's precisely the reference implied by the fact that I'm necroing this thread. 

 

On 11/25/2021 at 3:14 AM, johnny said:

i know a few people named Reyna 

 

On 11/25/2021 at 4:35 AM, Keyser_Soze said:

I've known Reynas too. It's a Hispanic name so not super outrageous.

 

LTTP sorry for quoting old posts.

 

Reina would be the Hispanic version. I haven't met too many Reinas in my Hispanic circles. Or any, really. Reina means 'queen'. A lot of people in South America say "Me casé con la reina" (I married the queen) to indicate that they've stepped in dog shit. Which TROS definitely is.

[CayceG]

7 hours ago, CayceG said:

 

 

This has me curious about how it turned out. Skimming these changes, this is the first time I've felt remotely interested in revisiting it. 

 

 

So I found the re-cut and watching it tonight. 

 

Though some of the largest offenses have been smoothed out, the smaller missteps are still there as are the fundamental flaws. The dialogue is still shitty JJ/Whedon patter. And though not small, something they didn't touch the fact that Rey is still Palpatine's granddaughter. Several of the weird plot decisions and limitations are still there too. But the pacing does feel improved. 

 

But still, the movie retains its overall nonsensical decision-making (Why don't they just blast the navigational tower with the fighter lasers?) and the fact that there are so many "cool moments" thrown in. 

 

It's a valiant effort. I'd say it takes the movie from a 3/10 to a 5/10. 

[CitizenVectron]

14 hours ago, CayceG said:

 

 

So I found the re-cut and watching it tonight. 

 

Though some of the largest offenses have been smoothed out, the smaller missteps are still there as are the fundamental flaws. The dialogue is still shitty JJ/Whedon patter. And though not small, something they didn't touch the fact that Rey is still Palpatine's granddaughter. Several of the weird plot decisions and limitations are still there too. But the pacing does feel improved. 

 

But still, the movie retains its overall nonsensical decision-making (Why don't they just blast the navigational tower with the fighter lasers?) and the fact that there are so many "cool moments" thrown in. 

 

It's a valiant effort. I'd say it takes the movie from a 3/10 to a 5/10. 

 

 

Thanks for doing the dirty work so we don't have to.

[CayceG]

18 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

 

Thanks for doing the dirty work so we don't have to.

 

I want the movies to be good. It's part of my childhood and it's a story I'm invested in. If there are improvements to be made, I want to see what the result is. This one is still disappointing but it's better than what I was tortured with twice over that Christmas. 

[SaysWho?]

On 10/22/2019 at 12:47 AM, sblfilms said:

At this point I just want my fan service to be good, because I have no faith in JJ to do something interesting.

 

It's funny how much of an understatement this ended up being.

[Brick]

 

[Greatoneshere]

13 hours ago, Brick said:

 

 

Saw this earlier today as I follow his work on Youtube. I almost always usually agree with him but sometimes Mikey wants to be too positive too frequently, especially these days given how everything looks pretty bleak in real life. But TROS was a bad movie and he doesn't touch much on just how bad it was compared to thewfew good things it had. I also disagree with him on Rey's journey - he's not wrong that there's good stuff there thematically at the end of TROS for Rey but it's done in such a banal and obvious and ham fisted way as to not matter.

 

Maybe he's not wrong - maybe good Star Wars is rare (and it seems it is) and most Star Wars is basically an emulation of dumb Flash Gordon and Star Wars works in that way more than in the "take Star Wars seriously" way, and that sounds right to a degree. You can hear it in his voice that he's tired of discussing superhero movies (particularly the MCU) and Star Wars (he has multiple older videos covering those topics) and I'm right there with him - so much other art is getting lost and not discussed when there's so much else to talk about in film and TV, etc. beyond Marvel and Star Wars. He's clearly putting the topic of Star Wars to bed for himself - there's a finality here. @SuperSpreader even made a funny post in one thread saying: "it's not Marvel don't care" but there's truth to that - I see 20 minute videos on "Marvel film easter eggs" that gets millions of views but one good film essay from Mikey or Patrick Willems or Siddhant Adlakha about something other than Star Wars or Marvel gets like, 20k views. That is a shame since there's so much more to learn from the latter than the former.

 

I love superhero movies and Star Wars so I don't begrudge either and I keep up with all the content for those things but it does feel somewhat like they've just taken over so much of film discourse in the mainstream at the expense of all else, and discourse around these two things has gotten dumbed down as time has gone on as well.

[SuperSpreader]

3 hours ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Saw this earlier today as I follow his work on Youtube. I almost always usually agree with him but sometimes Mikey wants to be too positive too frequently, especially these days given how everything looks pretty bleak in real life. But ROTS was a bad movie and he doesn't touch much on just how bad it was compared to thewfew good things it had. I also disagree with him on Rey's journey - he's not wrong that there's good stuff there thematically at the end of ROTS for Rey but it's done in such a banal and obvious and ham fisted way as to not matter.

 

Maybe he's not wrong - maybe good Star Wars is rare (and it seems it is) and most Star Wars is basically an emulation of dumb Flash Gordon and Star Wars works in that way more than in the "take Star Wars seriously" way, and that sounds right to a degree. You can hear it in his voice that he's tired of discussing superhero movies (particularly the MCU) and Star Wars (he has multiple older videos covering those topics) and I'm right there with him - so much other art is getting lost and not discussed when there's so much else to talk about in film and TV, etc. beyond Marvel and Star Wars. He's clearly putting the topic of Star Wars to bed for himself - there's a finality here. @SuperSpreader even made a funny post in one thread saying: "it's not Marvel don't care" but there's truth to that - I see 20 minute videos on "Marvel film easter eggs" that gets millions of views but one good film essay from Mikey or Patrick Willems or Siddhant Adlakha about something other than Star Wars or Marvel gets like, 20k views. That is a shame since there's so much more to learn from the latter than the former.

 

I love superhero movies and Star Wars so I don't begrudge either and I keep up with all the content for those things but it does feel somewhat like they've just taken over so much of film discourse in the mainstream at the expense of all else, and discourse around these two things has gotten dumbed down as time has gone on as well.

 

You tricked me, this wasn't about marvel at all!!

[CitizenVectron]

Why even talk about the TROS the Turd at this point when you could talk about Dune the Masterpiece.

[SuperSpreader]

14 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

Why even talk about the TROS the Turd at this point when you could talk about Dune the Masterpiece.

 

I realized machine Palpatine is basically the original design for The Baron when re-watching it last week with my dad (he likes bad movies because he doesn't know the difference!)