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11 hours ago, Greatoneshere said:

I was wondering why everyone was only focused on Dominion when Smartmatic is still ongoing. One-two punch let's go.

I'm interested in the Smartmatic case, because it doesn't seem as egregious as this one. I barely heard them talked about in videos. Maybe i'm wrong though. 

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Rich people don’t like giving money away. While it might not be the tastiest outcome, it is one that will make them hesitate to do something similar in the future.  Since there is fear with regards to future elections being stolen, I think this is a positive outcome. 

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7 minutes ago, Brian said:

Rich people don’t like giving money away. While it might not be the tastiest outcome, it is one that will make them hesitate to do something similar in the future.  Since there is fear with regards to future elections being stolen, I think this is a positive outcome. 

Fox News has something like $4B in cash holdings. Gross profits for 2020-2022 were $4.496B, $4.872B, and $4.857B, respectively.

 

And based upon Murdoch's track record of big-ticket payouts for settlements, I would absolutely consider this a win for him.  He's paying a fine that he can absolutely afford, and this allows him and Fox to resume business as usual (without any apology or public admission of guilt), as opposed to the alternative of a protracted trial which would have kept him, and a host of Fox News personalities, under public scrutiny for an extended period of time.

 

Anyone expecting this settlement to result in a meaningful change in how Murdoch does business is naive or delusional.

 

The Smartmatic suit, depending on how it plays out, might have a different impact, but if it's another settlement, then it amounts to another win for Fox.

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1 hour ago, GoldenTongue said:

Fox News has something like $4B in cash holdings. Gross profits for 2020-2022 were $4.496B, $4.872B, and $4.857B, respectively.

 

And based upon Murdoch's track record of big-ticket payouts for settlements, I would absolutely consider this a win for him.  He's paying a fine that he can absolutely afford, and this allows him and Fox to resume business as usual (without any apology or public admission of guilt), as opposed to the alternative of a protracted trial which would have kept him, and a host of Fox News personalities, under public scrutiny for an extended period of time.

 

Anyone expecting this settlement to result in a meaningful change in how Murdoch does business is naive or delusional.

 

The Smartmatic suit, depending on how it plays out, might have a different impact, but if it's another settlement, then it amounts to another win for Fox.

Smartmatic will absolutely take a settlement when Fox's number gets high enough that their investors tell them that fiduciary duty is more important than the truth. I expect nothing to come of this. 

 

At best they ruin Pillow Guy and Headless Time Traveler Whacko.

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800 million will unquestionably change the way FNC operates. There is no chance the value of this particularly egregious behavior is worth what they just paid out.

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This was also always going to happen. There was about a 0.01% chance this trial would be allowed to play out.
 

This was a large enough settlement that it has to sting. There is no way it doesn’t and while I don’t think this will really change much about how they constantly shovel mountains of half truths and anger porn into the eager mouths of their audience of brainwashed dipshit halfwits, but you can bet your ass they will be more careful about saying things that can have a result like this.

 

The whole thing was just so stupid. The amount of stupid dumb fuckers who still to this day think the election was stolen is shocking to me. This will change nothing at all.  Not one mind will be changed. The fact that Fox was so eager to just play along with Trumps blatantly false assertions is fucking gross. The fact that this entire fiasco isn’t the biggest scandal in American history and that Trump and anyone else playing along with his dangerous idiocy isn’t just shunned from polite society forever is also shocking to me.

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I don't think people are seeing the nuance here - this is a huge win. Dominion asked for, legally speaking, an insane amount of money ($1.6 billion). In cases like this, you have to prove damages (I haven't been following this case closely, to be fair) and you can't have more damages than the value of your company (how can you have damages worth more than $10 million, let's say, when your company is only worth $10 million? how can one have damages worth more than what they are worth, though I'm super simplifying things here). 

 

The reason Dominion asked for so much is because it was a slam dunk case. It was so clear cut they asked for the moon and they got HALF of what they asked for. That's crazy on a legal level. One could argue that it's disappointing that this is the best the legal system can offer, which is a fair criticism of a systemic/institutional issue, but accepting that, this win is huge for Dominion and makes Fox News look incompetent and bad.

 

For those wanting their public apology pound of flesh on air, we got the texts. The receipts have been made public. We have the damning evidence. We can use it all online in arguments if we want to. While I would love for Fox News to directly tell their audience on air how full of shit they are (in some vain hope this finally breaks through their brain fog), but that was never going to happen.

 

If you think Fox News is ever again going to lie on air like they did this time, they won't (meaning so overt and aggressive they'll lose defamation cases in court - low bar, I know). They'll just get better at skirting the true, which is something at least.

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58 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

I don't think people are seeing the nuance here - this is a huge win. Dominion asked for, legally speaking, an insane amount of money ($1.6 billion). In cases like this, you have to prove damages (I haven't been following this case closely, to be fair) and you can't have more damages than the value of your company (how can you have damages worth more than $10 million, let's say, when your company is only worth $10 million? how can one have damages worth more than what they are worth, though I'm super simplifying things here). 

 

The reason Dominion asked for so much is because it was a slam dunk case. It was so clear cut they asked for the moon and they got HALF of what they asked for. That's crazy on a legal level. One could argue that it's disappointing that this is the best the legal system can offer, which is a fair criticism of a systemic/institutional issue, but accepting that, this win is huge for Dominion and makes Fox News look incompetent and bad.

 

For those wanting their public apology pound of flesh on air, we got the texts. The receipts have been made public. We have the damning evidence. We can use it all online in arguments if we want to. While I would love for Fox News to directly tell their audience on air how full of shit they are (in some vain hope this finally breaks through their brain fog), but that was never going to happen.

 

If you think Fox News is ever again going to lie on air like they did this time, they won't (meaning so overt and aggressive they'll lose defamation cases in court - low bar, I know). They'll just get better at skirting the true, which is something at least.

I agree with most of this until the end. Legally speaking, this was nearly a best case scenario. The courtroom drama would have been fun, but we got the discovery and Fox had to pay out a bundle. Its only a third of the profit they earn a year, but it's still a hefty sum.

 

I don't think this means we won't see them lie like this again, unless this case (and the others following it) really change the economics of their business.

 

Last quarter Fox's cable channels brought in twice as much from carriage fees as they did from ads. They're renegotiating those fees right now, and they're seeking a huge increase from ~$2.18 to ~$3 per customer, which I believe would make them the second highest paid cable channel after ESPN. It would increase their revenue such that they'd be able to pay off one of these lawsuits nearly every quarter.

 

If these lawsuits hinder those negotiations in any way, that would affect their bottom line more than anything, though I haven't read much suggesting that they will. Instead Fox will likely get their increased fees, make even more money while being even less reliant on advertisers, and continue to be incentivized to be as outrageous as possible. They might be slightly more careful about naming specific companies as they weave their conspiracy theories, but I don't see them changing much other than that.

 

Now, if they don't get their fee increase, or somehow ended up with a smaller fee and needed to rely on advertising more, they might actually change their content a bit to satisfy some big brands.

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A third of their annual profit from literally one lawsuit is insanely expensive, people 😂 Rich people are almost all cheapskates. They will take small legal losses when the underlying behavior creates a net positive, but there is legitimately no way this isn’t a loser play on their part to platform these claims as they did. 
 

And they still have another shoe to drop on this same set of claims about another company!

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24 minutes ago, TwinIon said:

I agree with most of this until the end. Legally speaking, this was nearly a best case scenario. The courtroom drama would have been fun, but we got the discovery and Fox had to pay out a bundle. Its only a third of the profit they earn a year, but it's still a hefty sum.

 

I don't think this means we won't see them lie like this again, unless this case (and the others following it) really change the economics of their business.

 

Everything you point out is completely true, I think though that Fox in general will get cold feet risking this again - I don't think people like Tucker Carlson, et. al. want their dirty laundry aired in the court of public opinion again and being potentially dragged to court, etc. I think that's where this hurts Fox - the money stuff is just a great bonus, but being outed so spectacularly to the population at large now leaves zero room for doubt about what kind of organization Fox News is. I don't think it's a guarantee, especially given, as you explained, their play at offsetting these costs and earning more money by upping cable charges to rely less on advertisers.

 

But at the same time, the demographics who watch Fox News will be dying off, and younger people don't even bother with paying for cable for the most part. We'll see how this plays out but I do see this having a dampening effect on their brazen lying; they'll continue to lie, but perhaps not to the degree they put themselves in legal hot water to this degree again.

 

16 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

A third of their annual profit from literally one lawsuit is insanely expensive, people 😂 Rich people are almost all cheapskates. They will take small legal losses when the underlying behavior creates a net positive, but there is legitimately no way this isn’t a loser play on their part to platform these claims as they did. 
 

And they still have another shoe to drop on this same set of claims about another company!

 

Exactly! I wish I was an attorney on the Dominion side of this case. :p 

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15 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

A third of their annual profit from literally one lawsuit is insanely expensive, people 😂 Rich people are almost all cheapskates. They will take small legal losses when the underlying behavior creates a net positive, but there is legitimately no way this isn’t a loser play on their part to platform these claims as they did. 
 

And they still have another shoe to drop on this same set of claims about another company!

 

This is true and also I love when they also don’t respect the time is money rule and are running a business and waste hours and hours of productivity because they just fucking need to squeeze like $100 out of someone.

 

Its like personal for them what’s coming in and out - the top brass is NOT happy about this.

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24 minutes ago, Jason said:

Who did we have saying recently that Cucker doesn't actually believe the white nationalist shit?

 

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Tucker Carlson’s Text That Alarmed Fox: ‘It’s Not How White Men Fight’ - The New York Times

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The discovery of the text message contributed to a chain of events that ultimately led to Tucker Carlson’s firing.

 

Been posted a;leady bra... in the Tucker Carson thread.

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1 minute ago, SaysWho? said:

 

But April 28 was 5 days ago. :shock: And you were that April 28th post.

 

And it wasn't the May 2 NYT article. :shock:

 

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the OTHER Tucker Carlson thread

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