Ghost_MH Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Mercury33 said: Just finished it and absolutely loved it. The way Jacks arc finishes is so utterly spectacular. I want more of that character haha Theres going to be an Echo show? I can’t think of a single thing I could be less interested in out of every single Marvel character in existence. I want a Jack short. Like maybe him trying out larping and trying to engage in idle chitchat with the crew there. I'd be down for an Echo series of she spends a chunk of it trying to kill Daredevil because she thinks he works for Kingpin. If it doesn't feature much of Daredevil, I have no idea what they'd do with an entire Echo series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, Mercury33 said: Just finished it and absolutely loved it. The way Jacks arc finishes is so utterly spectacular. I want more of that character haha Theres going to be an Echo show? I can’t think of a single thing I could be less interested in out of every single Marvel character in existence. It's there? I thought she would just pop up in another one... I agree, she was not nearly fleshed out enough to make me give a shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: It's there? I thought she would just pop up in another one... I agree, she was not nearly fleshed out enough to make me give a shit Yeah she's getting her own show. Her character is FAR more interesting than what they did on the show. She's got abilities like The Taskmaster in the comics and was one of Daredevil's exes. Nowadays she hangs with the Avengers and has control of the Phoenix Force. Don't see them doing any of that in her show As for Jack I guess he's basically The Swordsman who in the comics was Hawkeye's mentor. Be awesome to see if they devlop that character further. He's such an awesome actor... just as good here as he is on Better Call Saul. My sister wants a show with Kate Bishop and Elana ( is that how you pronounce her name?) She's great as the new Widow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoJoe Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 46 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: My sister wants a show with Kate Bishop and Elana ( is that how you pronounce her name?) She's great as the new Widow. Yelena 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 45 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: My sister wants a show with Kate Bishop and Elana ( is that how you pronounce her name?) She's great as the new Widow. ... I would be here for that. Hailee Steinfeld and Florence Pugh have been great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Everytime I see Florence Pugh in something I always forget where I know her from. Then I remember it’s Midsommar. Then I think about Midsommar. Then the rest of my day feels weird cause I’m thinking about Midsommar 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Mercury33 said: Everytime I see Florence Pugh in something I always forget where I know her from. Then I remember it’s Midsommar. Then I think about Midsommar. Then the rest of my day feels weird cause I’m thinking about Midsommar 😂 The opening to that movie is so disturbing. OK the whole movie is disturbing, but that opening hit hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Strong end to a strong show. Florence Pugh is incredible, but every time I see her I think she looks a little sad. Then I remember she's with Zach Braff and I'm all, "oh yeah that tracks." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Strong end to a strong show. Florence Pugh is incredible, but every time I see her I think she looks a little sad. ThenI remember she's with Zach Braff and I'm all, "oh yeah that tracks." the 20 year age gap between them is pretty gross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, johnny said: the 20 year age gap between them is pretty gross The fact that that is pretty normal in Hollywood never ceases to gross me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 So what’s the deal with that dog? Why introduce a weird one eyed dog and have it tag along for no reason whatsoever for the entire show only to have nothing happen? I was expecting it to be a skrull or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 2 hours ago, ort said: Reveal hidden contents So what’s the deal with that dog? Why introduce a weird one eyed dog and have it tag along for no reason whatsoever for the entire show only to have nothing happen? I was expecting it to be a skrull or something. Spoiler Becausde Hawkeye and Kate have a dog in the comic. Fan service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 because he’s cute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I think it's just character reinforcement. The dog doesn't mean anything, but the fact that Kate and Clint keep remembering the dog (when it's plot convenient) keeps them grounded a bit. Also is the dog's name officially 'pizza?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Overall I did really like this show, but I don't think I liked it as much as many others did. It was a lot of fun, but I thought the plot was pretty messy and all over the place. My main beef was completely wasting Kingpin. On the Netflix show, he's such a complicated nuanced character. An obsessive perfectionist. He's scary not just because he's so big and tough, but because he's so cold and calculating. None of that really came through in this. He had like 10 minutes of screen time and was just a big angry dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 12 hours ago, ort said: Hide contents So what’s the deal with that dog? Why introduce a weird one eyed dog and have it tag along for no reason whatsoever for the entire show only to have nothing happen? I was expecting it to be a skrull or something. I love Pizza Dog. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 dont question Pizza Dog. just accept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 The dog is named Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 14 hours ago, Brick said: The dog is named Lucky. Don't you be dissing on Pizza Dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 @Ghost_MH Vincent D'Onofrio Addresses Marvel Fan Criticisms of Kingpin's "Enhanced" Strength in Hawkeye COMICBOOK.COM Vincent D'Onofrio addressed some of those Marvel fan criticisms of Kingpin's enhanced strength in [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: @Ghost_MH Vincent D'Onofrio Addresses Marvel Fan Criticisms of Kingpin's "Enhanced" Strength in Hawkeye COMICBOOK.COM Vincent D'Onofrio addressed some of those Marvel fan criticisms of Kingpin's enhanced strength in [...] I don't really remember the scene playing out like that. He seemed WAY more human there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Yeah, he comes off different in Harkeye than he did in Daredevil. It's fine. Kate should have had badly broken bones 5 times in that fight, Black Widows absorb and deal out an incredible amount of punishment, I have no problem with Kingpin getting a glam up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dre801 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Kingpin is supposed to be frightening strong. About as strong as a non-supe can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Other than ripping the car door off he didn't seem overly strong to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, Brick said: Other than ripping the car door off he didn't seem overly strong to me. Me neither although he should have been killed when he got hit by that car lol! I just watched Spiderverse yesterday and he was definitely superhuman in that. Seemed to be damn near Hulk levels in some parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, Brick said: Other than ripping the car door off he didn't seem overly strong to me. Watch the video Ghost posted, compared to Kingpin's fight with Kate, Daredevil is way more easily able to get damage in on Kingpin and Kingpin has to put a lot more effort into getting damage in on Daredevil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Now maybe he didn't go from average human to Captain America but he's definitely stronger in Hawkeye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Jason said: Watch the video Ghost posted, compared to Kingpin's fight with Kate, Daredevil is way more easily able to get damage in on Kingpin and Kingpin has to put a lot more effort into getting damage in on Daredevil. Dardevil is also a MUCH better fighter than Kate Bishop. He still seems pretty human to me and not superhuman at all in the two different series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: Dardevil is also a MUCH better fighter than Kate Bishop. He still seems pretty human to me and not superhuman at all in the two different series. I don't think fighting prowess alone adequately explains the difference. But, 3 minutes ago, Jason said: Now maybe he didn't go from average human to Captain America but he's definitely stronger in Hawkeye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 46 minutes ago, Jason said: Watch the video Ghost posted, compared to Kingpin's fight with Kate, Daredevil is way more easily able to get damage in on Kingpin and Kingpin has to put a lot more effort into getting damage in on Daredevil. I did, and I don't see it. Daredevil was more brutal, and using his clubs, plus the Netflix shows were more violent and darker than anything the Disney+ shows have offered so far, so it's basically a difference in ratings. Plus maybe he's just been hitting the gym since we last saw him lol (if indeed it is the same character). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Brick said: (if indeed it is the same character). It is the same character according to D'onfrio in the post I posted earlier. D'onfrio doesn't see a difference really between the portrayals between the two series in strength levels. Not that any of this matters anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: It is the same character according to D'onfrio in the post I posted earlier. D'onfrio doesn't see a difference really between the portrayals between the two series in strength levels. Not that any of this matters anyway. I know, but actors don't make that decision though, so that's why I'm still wondering until we get official confirmation from Feige or another higher up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Jason said: Now maybe he didn't go from average human to Captain America but he's definitely stronger in Hawkeye. He's much closer to Kingpin in the 90s animated series. That Kingpin wasn't Captain America strong, but he was catching Spider-Man punches and throwing people and huge ass pieces of furniture twenty and thirty feet. Also, he is and isn't the same Kingpin. The multiverse is just weird that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 People, people. We allow these characters to have different power levels as appropriate to the stories in the comics, we can do the same here. He's strong enough to go toe to toe with spider man. It's cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, Anathema- said: People, people. We allow these characters to have different power levels as appropriate to the stories in the comics, we can do the same here. He's strong enough to go toe to toe with spider man. It's cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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