SaysWho? Posted April 19, 2021 Author Share Posted April 19, 2021 Defense's closing argument has gone on for 2 1/2 hours and not done. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 This is utterly shocking: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Is Maxine Waters a total idiot? I mean, seriously, what is she doing. It's like she's gift wrapping a box of rocket propellant to the right wing ghouls to toss on the fire for the next decade or more. She just can't stop saying dumb shit that is going to become the foundation of oppositions narrative for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, ort said: Is Maxine Waters a total idiot? I mean, seriously, what is she doing. It's like she's gift wrapping a box of rocket propellant to the right wing ghouls to toss on the fire for the next decade or more. She just can't stop saying dumb shit that is going to become the foundation of oppositions narrative for years. What did she say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Chauvin trial judge says Maxine Waters' ‘confrontational’ protest remarks could fuel appeal WWW.NBCNEWS.COM A defense attorney for Chauvin argued that the congresswoman's comments were grounds for a mistrial, a motion the judge denied. Nothing that bad really... And I want to add that I truly believe that there isn't a single person in the world who is going to do anything differently at all based on what she said... not a single person... But that won't stop the republicans and their propaganda wing from making this the base of their entire argument that all democrats are in favor of riots. Their racist vile followers will eat it up without diving into any of the nuance at all because that's what they do. That's the core audience of the Republican Party. They've made their entire brand into simply doing whatever it takes to appeal to the worst possible people imaginable. I'm so tired of this shit everyone. I'm mentally exhausted and the amount of vile toxicity that exists in the world makes me very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 "a Black woman who is uninvolved in the case had an opinion, I call for a mistrial" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 This shit might lead to riots all over the country. I can’t say I’m optimistic at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: This is utterly shocking: I feel like a mistrial could be called on this alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 There are virtually never transcripts of the court room testimony available for jurors to review, guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, sblfilms said: There are virtually never transcripts of the court room testimony available for jurors to review, guys. I've sat on two jury trials, and we didn't have a transcript. We were allowed to ask the court questions from what I remember, but we didn't have a play by play of the trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, sblfilms said: There are virtually never transcripts of the court room testimony available for jurors to review, guys. 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: I've sat on two jury trials, and we didn't have a transcript. We were allowed to ask the court questions from what I remember, but we didn't have a play by play of the trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jason said: Where does this trial transcript magically appear the day a trial concludes? They take months to compile after a trial of this length. Tapper just trying to cover for not knowing things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I was the lone holdout in the jury siding with the plaintiff on one count in a civil suit. Everyone was getting frustrated with me. What wasn't explained to the jury at the beginning, was that Oregon doesn't require a unanimous verdict (except in murder trials I guess), so we went back and forth for hours until we got told we didn't have to all be in agreement to reach a verdict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: I've sat on two jury trials, and we didn't have a transcript. We were allowed to ask the court questions from what I remember, but we didn't have a play by play of the trial. Usually if there are any transcriptions available it is because the prosecution or defense prepared something and submitted it as evidence. So you may have a very small selection materials available that you could request access to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Verdict reached, now how long to find out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Verdict reached, now how long to find out? 4:30 - 5:00 EST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Chris- said: 4:30 - 5:00 EST I read 4:30 - 5:30, though not much of a difference regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Seems quick. I hope that’s a good thing, but I really don’t know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Seems quick. I hope that’s a good thing, but I really don’t know. I saw someone on Reset remind everyone that the OJ verdict took 4 hours, not to be downer but just not to set expectations high from the get-go. Hoping for a guilty but I guess it's best to just wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 18 hours ago, sblfilms said: Where does this trial transcript magically appear the day a trial concludes? They take months to compile after a trial of this length. Tapper just trying to cover for not knowing things It’s not entirely unheard of depending on the state. Some states still use court stenographers in addition to a digital audio recording, so it is not impossible jurors having access to the transcripts based on the stenographer’s notes. Usually if the jury needs a part read back to them they can. It is exceedingly rare and used only for big higher profile cases, but some attorneys know this is likely going to be appealed and pay to have transcripts done daily. I’m honestly not sure if they give those to jurors as it’s not a specific court process and the product of a private attorney making the request and payment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Seems quick. I hope that’s a good thing, but I really don’t know. Narrator - it wasn’t a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iculus Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 live feed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 32 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: Narrator - it wasn’t a good thing. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 My gut reaction: quick verdict probably means at best manslaughter conviction. But it turns out that when you look at data on these things, time to verdict apparently is no actual indicator of outcome...so who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Probably rules out a hung jury though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Joe said: Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 36 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said: It’s not entirely unheard of depending on the state. Some states still use court stenographers in addition to a digital audio recording, so it is not impossible jurors having access to the transcripts based on the stenographer’s notes. Usually if the jury needs a part read back to them they can. It is exceedingly rare and used only for big higher profile cases, but some attorneys know this is likely going to be appealed and pay to have transcripts done daily. I’m honestly not sure if they give those to jurors as it’s not a specific court process and the product of a private attorney making the request and payment. Yeah, that’s what I was saying in regards to transcripts that are made available. Typically provided by either the prosecution or defense and then submitted as an actual piece of evidence for exactly the reason that jurors can request to see it. The big problem with trying to make an entire court case available immediately for the jury is the need for editing the content to ensure accuracy of the transcript. But tech is helping a lot of this as steno machines now get on-the-fly converted to text transcripts, and audio to text transcription is getting better and better so there are less errors to correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: Probably rules out a hung jury though. Which is why my gut reaction is guilty on manslaughter. Can’t imagine getting unanimity on the murder 2 charge, or unanimity on acquittal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: Probably rules out a hung jury though. Can't the Judge force them to deliberate longer if they've only been hung for a day? EDIT: I read your comment wrong. I thought you said it probably IS a hung jury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Gonna be busy tonight at work either way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mclumber1 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 QUILTY 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Three for three guilty on all counts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Someone hold me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 GUILTY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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