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Jason

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1 hour ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

I mean, yeah. Still, who are people having Zoom meetings with that they have to worry about malicious UNC paths? Even if you're using your company's Zoom account to video chat with a bunch of friends and family, it's still friends and family. Eh...I guess it's more a theoretical worry than something we're actually seeing in the wild.

 

 

That doesn't really count. Schools are still just using enterprise software at educational license pricing.

 

My girlfriend did an online yoga class that was broadcast via Zoom.

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Ghost_MH

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

 

My girlfriend did an online yoga class that was broadcast via Zoom.

 

I hadn't thought about that one. I could see a

user joining something like a yoga class and then sending a malicious link if chat is allowed in this online classes. Yeah, don't click on links.

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Our Daughter's teacher just sent out a message to all of the parents saying that the district is going to immediatly halt using zoom for distance learning.  So now she has to scramble and find a suitable substitute.  Since they are already using Google Classroom, she's going to try using hangouts.meet.  We'll see how it goes tomorrow. 

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6 hours ago, mclumber1 said:

Our Daughter's teacher just sent out a message to all of the parents saying that the district is going to immediatly halt using zoom for distance learning.  So now she has to scramble and find a suitable substitute.  Since they are already using Google Classroom, she's going to try using hangouts.meet.  We'll see how it goes tomorrow. 

That’s what I use and I haven’t used zoom but Meet is pretty good. And there are add ons to make it even better. 

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Thankfully my school division has decided to move from Skype for Business to Teams. Still not perfect, but overall a better product, especially as Teams integrates with Student Information Systems that we use, allowing teachers to have class lists and such built right in with the API we have.

 

Our biggest issue at the moment for supporting teachers is that our normal remote-control software (VNC) can't be used as they are off-network. We do have a VPN system installed on all laptops, but it won't work with VNC. We've been managing with remote desktop control via Skype, but you can't perform admin functions, so we are currently looking at other solutions. Teachers are pretty bad when it comes to basic tech stuff, and we have 1,200 of them working from home right now and only 6 front-line techs. Kind of amazing we've been able to keep up for the last few years.

 

 

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Ghost_MH

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2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

I informed a buddy of mine who uses Zoom and he dismissed it because "He doesn't care if people can listen in on his conversations" and "He doesn't use Windows". Is that the extent of the seriousness of this? What are some other potential issues?

 

People can only listen in if you use the same meeting ID over and over again and you don't secure your meetings with a password. Do both or either of those things and it's no longer an issue. The issue is more than Zoom uses a ten digit number for meetings. If you used the same one over and over again and it gets out, either by email leak or random guess, then people can jump into your meetings and listen in. To prevent this you can either use a randomized meeting ID or just put a password on your meeting. I always use random meeting IDs with a password, so this isn't much if a problem for me.

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11 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

Let me tell you what 95% of conference call attendees are incapable of... finding and using a meeting password. 

 

That's why you don't actually have to enter the meeting password with Zoom to get in. The meeting organizer can just admit people they know should be in the meeting. You can just skip that and not have to wait for the organizer of you know how to enter the password.

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5 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

So is this thing safe to use? I just got two Zoom invites for Friday and I've never used the app before. What do i need to know?

 

Yeah, it's fine. The regular rules of the Internet apply. Don't click on links unless you know for sure where you're going. Don't join Zoom meetings with folks you don't know. The biggest issue is that people are getting good at guessing Zoom meeting IDs, so if any of those Zoom meetings aren't password protected you do pose the chance of having some rando jump into your meeting and spamming the chat with malicious links or airing porn if there's video.

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31 minutes ago, Anathema- said:

And they send everything to Facebook.

 

They use Facebook Analytics. I don't like Facebook. I don't even have an account...though I do have an Instagram and use WhatsApp, so I'm not outside of their ecosystem. Either way, they use Facebook to handle their number crunching. Unless Facebook is open to an incredibly large, upcoming lawsuit, the data in Facebook Analytics is not privy to hacked Facebook accounts or malicious apps like those by Cambridge Analytica.

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skillzdadirecta

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On 4/8/2020 at 2:19 PM, Ghost_MH said:

 

Yeah, it's fine. The regular rules of the Internet apply. Don't click on links unless you know for sure where you're going. Don't join Zoom meetings with folks you don't know. The biggest issue is that people are getting good at guessing Zoom meeting IDs, so if any of those Zoom meetings aren't password protected you do pose the chance of having some rando jump into your meeting and spamming the chat with malicious links or airing porn if there's video.

My buddy had a work meeting interrupted last week with some really rancid porn and gruesome murder videos. He wasn't shocked or offended because he's a scumbag like me, but his colleagues sure were :p

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Having some acting classes that were moved to Zoom, and then hearing about this news was great timing. 

 

My girlfriend and I are planning a "cyber date" since we can't meet in person, and at first were going to use Zoom, but we'll find a different app now. 

 

Anyone here use House Party before? I hear you can play games with the people you're chatting with, so that's a nice feature, and it uses your existing profiles, like Facebook, to sign up. 

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51 minutes ago, Brick said:

Having some acting classes that were moved to Zoom, and then hearing about this news was great timing. 

 

My girlfriend and I are planning a "cyber date" since we can't meet in person, and at first were going to use Zoom, but we'll find a different app now. 

 

Anyone here use House Party before? I hear you can play games with the people you're chatting with, so that's a nice feature, and it uses your existing profiles, like Facebook, to sign up. 

House party is easy enough to use I like it

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1 hour ago, Brick said:

Having some acting classes that were moved to Zoom, and then hearing about this news was great timing. 

 

My girlfriend and I are planning a "cyber date" since we can't meet in person, and at first were going to use Zoom, but we'll find a different app now. 

 

Anyone here use House Party before? I hear you can play games with the people you're chatting with, so that's a nice feature, and it uses your existing profiles, like Facebook, to sign up. 

Just password protect your meeting. Zoom will be fine. 

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14 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

All these "Do this and you will be fine" replies are funny since they actually took action to improve the security of the program.

 

Did you actually look at the security updates they rolled out? They defaulted everyone to random meeting IDs with password protection. They also rolled out waiting rooms to be free when it was previously a paid feature.

 

The only real security change they made was change what kind of encryption they use and that was nothing but a PR stunt. Since there was news about Zoom not having end to end encryption, people assumed that means Zoom has no encryption. Changing the type of encryption they use covers the bad press there for people who don't understand why Zoom isn't encrypted end to end. Zoom still does not feature end to end encryption and it never will unless they break a lot of the functionality people need from the product.

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