Democratic Debate Round 3

[Massdriver]

38 minutes ago, CayceG said:

Beto is dumb by going hard on this because assault rifles aren't the biggest firearm problem. It's so totally Centrist Liberal. 

75% of American adults oppose a handgun sales ban. It's tough to put that out there when it is so unpopular. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/support-free-trade-reaches-new-high-nbc-wsj-poll-n1043601

[Reputator]

39 minutes ago, CayceG said:

Beto is dumb by going hard on this because assault rifles aren't the biggest firearm problem. It's so totally Centrist Liberal. 

 

It's the most acceptable position to take, because you'll never ban guns entirely. But it's a lot harder for gun advocates to argue that they NEED an AR-15 for any purpose whatsoever, and they've definitely been involved in multiple mass killings.

[mclumber1]

2 minutes ago, Reputator said:

 

It's the most acceptable position to take, because you'll never ban guns entirely. But it's a lot harder for gun advocates to argue that they NEED an AR-15 for any purpose whatsoever, and they've definitely been involved in multiple mass killings.

 

It's the perfect set up for the GOP to go after Democrats though:   "They do want to take your guns".  Any waffling there may have been with conservatives and gun owners about voting for Trump, as repugnent as he is, will all fade away if the Democrats run on a confiscation platform. Do they not remember what happened in 1994?

[Reputator]

57 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

 

It's the perfect set up for the GOP to go after Democrats though:   "They do want to take your guns".  Any waffling there may have been with conservatives and gun owners about voting for Trump, as repugnent as he is, will all fade away if the Democrats run on a confiscation platform. Do they not remember what happened in 1994?

 

This time around, probably. The winds are definitely headed that way though and it's not a bad idea to start "priming the well" for its eventual majority support. We just need a few dozen more dead school children and the country will come around.

[RedSoxFan9]

Guns aren’t a big enough issue to sink a candidate. Even if it was, gun lovers use the same attacks against Dems regardless of their stance on the issue. Gun people act like all Dems support confiscation. 

[SaysWho?]

3 hours ago, mclumber1 said:

 

It's the perfect set up for the GOP to go after Democrats though:   "They do want to take your guns".  Any waffling there may have been with conservatives and gun owners about voting for Trump, as repugnent as he is, will all fade away if the Democrats run on a confiscation platform. Do they not remember what happened in 1994?

 

1994 isn't 2019. Democrats care too much about shit that happened years ago, running away from their shadow of the 1980s. Dems used the NRA as a punching bag and kicked ass in 2018; it's no longer something they care about because the gun control movement has grown so much and is significantly more well-funded.

 

Conservatives aren't voting for Democrats. Democrats care too much about trying to get a sliver of the other guys and causing a larger percentage of Dems to stay home.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

 

[RedSoxFan9]

awful reporting

[Dodger]

18 hours ago, osxmatt said:

Joe Biden is a horrendous orator. I don't think I can handle 4 years of this.

 

 

You won't have to

[Spork3245]

2 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

Guns aren’t a big enough issue to sink a candidate. Even if it was, gun lovers use the same attacks against Dems regardless of their stance on the issue. Gun people act like all Dems support confiscation. 

 

This. It's the same with the "socialism" BS with Warren and Sanders as potential nominees, as Buttigieg said, no matter how center or left they are, the GOP will be calling them all socialists.

[RedSoxFan9]

 

[MarSolo]

What did Castro say that was so “disqualifying”?

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

18 minutes ago, MarSolo said:

What did Castro say that was so “disqualifying”?

His insinuation about Biden's mental faculties.

[MarSolo]

3 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

His insinuation about Biden's mental faculties.

Jesus Christ. 

 

They’re right though, because as we all know, Trump would never stoop to that level. Castro should be ashamed of himself.

[TheBladeRoden]

Media: Is something wrong with Joe's memory?

Castro: Is something wrong with Joe's memory?

Media: How DARE you!

[Ghost_MH]

16 minutes ago, MarSolo said:

Jesus Christ. 

 

They’re right though, because as we all know, Trump would never stoop to that level. Castro should be ashamed of himself.

 

And Biden is naive enough to feel above that sort of thing when Trump is off on the side forgetting he has a teenage son.

[Brick]

https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1172349435071881216

 

This was just embarrassing for Biden. Shameful, really. 

[MarSolo]

1 hour ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

And Biden is naive enough to feel above that sort of thing when Trump is off on the side forgetting he has a teenage son.

 

I mean, I hate that Castro had to go to a GOP talking point for an attack, but at the same time, people need to stop coddling Biden.

[Keyser_Soze]

2 hours ago, MarSolo said:

 

I mean, I hate that Castro had to go to a GOP talking point for an attack, but at the same time, people need to stop coddling Biden.

 

He just said that Biden didn't remember something he said 2 minutes ago. I think anyone in a debate would have pointed that out.

Also when Buttjudge said we should all be nice and civil I'm pretty sure Castro was the one who said if you can't take it now you're not going to be able to handle it when the GOP does it.

So I don't think he's using GOP talking points, he's just participating in a debate.

[RedSoxFan9]

Biden forgot Obama’s name a few weeks ago

[SaysWho?]

 

[GeneticBlueprint]

I find that poll a little odd. I didn't watch this debate but based on the Internet reaction I thought Warren had an unproductive debate?

[Remarkableriots]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/fact-check-could-a-president-beto-o-rourke-confiscate-assault-weapons/ar-AAHidgT?ocid=AMZN

[Keyser_Soze]

8 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

I find that poll a little odd. I didn't watch this debate but based on the Internet reaction I thought Warren had an unproductive debate?

 

This debate was basically a carbon copy of the first two debates. She was still good but mainly because she's still saying the same good things.

[Joe]

16 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

I find that poll a little odd. I didn't watch this debate but based on the Internet reaction I thought Warren had an unproductive debate?

 

I can see Bernie losing his supporters to her very easily. He comes off as almost reprimanding his audience instead of trying to win them over. More and more, I can see that Berniebros actually are a reflection of him. 

[Jason]

46 minutes ago, Jose said:

 

I can see Bernie losing his supporters to her very easily. He comes off as almost reprimanding his audience instead of trying to win them over. More and more, I can see that Berniebros actually are a reflection of him. 

 

 

 

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a35w3z/bernie-sanders-angry-accent-jewish-brooklyn

[Joe]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

 

 

 

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a35w3z/bernie-sanders-angry-accent-jewish-brooklyn

 

It has nothing to do with the volume of his voice. He feels the need to tell everyone that he wrote M4A every freaking debate.

[Spork3245]

1 hour ago, Jose said:

 

It has nothing to do with the volume of his voice. He feels the need to tell everyone that he wrote M4A every freaking debate.

 

A senator talking about bills that they wrote? The horror!

[Joe]

5 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

 

A senator talking about bills that they wrote? The horror!

 

It gets to a point of showing off. Like he cares more that he was first than getting that shit done.

[Spork3245]

5 minutes ago, Jose said:

 

It gets to a point of showing off. Like he cares more that he was first than getting that shit done.

 

Or that he’s defending against nonsensical claims that fat Paul Ryan made, or possibly just explaining its benefits to the American people. 

[Joe]

It made sense as a rebuttal to Ryan. He killed that. Why did he need to say it again the last debate though? Just came off like bragging.

[Keyser_Soze]

Well he has to defend the bill because the other Dems in the debate come in saying how it's a bad deal and people want options and all this other BS.

[Spork3245]

17 minutes ago, Jose said:

It made sense as a rebuttal to Ryan. He killed that. Why did he need to say it again the last debate though? Just came off like bragging.

 

Biden was talking about how it costs too much, and I recall other candidates coming after it as well.

[Jason]

Jose with the weirdest Bernie hot take.

[SaysWho?]

On 9/14/2019 at 5:21 PM, GeneticBlueprint said:

I find that poll a little odd. I didn't watch this debate but based on the Internet reaction I thought Warren had an unproductive debate?

 

People who like political porn and theater have those reactions (as do we), but I don't think many people watch the debates thinking like this. She has good ideas that people like and is passionate; there was no reason for people to feel worse about her, you know? 

 

I don't necessarily know if it'll translate in the polls (Bernie took fire from multiple candidates but did a pretty decent job holding his own), but I think that's why political commentators should focus less on how a candidate "did" and just what they said.