Trump voters trust Trump more than their own families.

[Greatoneshere]

Didn't Trump lose the popular vote twice, the electoral college once and lost the Senate for the Republicans in 2020 and 2022 as well as losing the House majority from years 2019 to 2023, ya know, some of the years he was in office as president (and the only reason the Democrats lost the House in November 2022 elections was because of California and New York fucking up, not Trump)? Got a real winner there. Doesn't mean the left should rest on their laurels either.

[Kal-El814]

17 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

Didn't Trump lose the popular vote twice, the electoral college once and lost the Senate for the Republicans in 2020 and 2022 as well as losing the House majority from years 2019 to 2023, ya know, the years he was in office as president (and the only reason the Democrats lost the House in November 2022 elections was because of California and New York fucking up, not Trump)? Got a real winner there. Doesn't mean the left should rest on their laurels either.

 

Yeah… but vibes.

[MarSolo]

Trump also has one of the few things that went against Hillary now going against him: investigations into wrongdoing.

 

Besides running a shit campaign, Hillary had the investigations of her handling of classified materials going against her constantly being in the news. Once Average Joe voter who only comes out for Presidential elections sees that with Trump, they’ll think “yeah, Biden is old but he doesn’t seem to be a fuck up like Trump.”

 

Also, if Dems were smart they’d paint the image of another pandemic possibly happening under Trump.

[Greatoneshere]

9 minutes ago, MarSolo said:

Trump also has one of the few things that went against Hillary now going against him: investigations into wrongdoing.

 

Besides running a shit campaign, Hillary had the investigations of her handling of classified materials going against her constantly being in the news. Once Average Joe voter who only comes out for Presidential elections sees that with Trump, they’ll think “yeah, Biden is old but he doesn’t seem to be a fuck up like Trump.”

 

Also, if Dems were smart they’d paint the image of another pandemic possibly happening under Trump.

 

All of his criminal indictments and multiple criminal and civil legal cases against him definitely make him a poor candidate. I mean, on top of helping with all of those election losses, he's already been impeached twice (just not removed from office because of Republican loyalty) as well. He's literally a terrible political candidate with way too much baggage. He's got his supporters, no doubt, but both Scalise and Jordan not even being able to win a floor vote for Speaker because there are a few crazies on one side and now another group of pseudo-anti crazies on the other side show Trump's side is not some huge majority, even within his own party, or Scalise or Jordan should have been able to become Speaker no problem, and they couldn't because of the divisions within their own party.

[outsida]

4 hours ago, BloodyHell said:

Trump lost 2020 by 50k votes. Biden has far fewer supporters than he did in 2020. Trump hasn’t lost many, and seems to be gaining in some demographics, including black men and Latinos. He’s also killing Biden in swing states in currency polling. 
 

your little screed ignores a lot of things in Trump’s favor. 

Trump lost by 7million votes…. And if you go by the pivotal states from 2016 it’s 100s of thousands of votes. 

[Reputator]

Just now, outsida said:

Trump lost by 7million votes…. And if you go by the pivotal states from 2016 it’s 100s of thousands of votes. 

 

He means the votes that WEREN'T cast by the deep state lizard mutants.

[TUFKAK]

48 minutes ago, Reputator said:

 

He means the votes that WEREN'T cast by the deep state lizard mutants.

Who told you about us?

[Jason]

19 minutes ago, TUFKAK said:

Who told you about us?

 

The Time Cube website, duh. 

[Keyser_Soze]

The World Needs President Trump Now More Than Ever

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A chaotic, barbarous world is calling out for strong American leadership. And for that, there's only one option: a restoration of the Trump presidency.

 

[GeneticBlueprint]

Frightening just how oblivious and/or dishonest some of these cult members are. 

[Signifyin(g)Monkey]

I know quite a few Trump-fans from both traditionally Democratic and traditionally Republican backgrounds, and over the years the diagnosis of their support’s unshakability I’ve formed is that it boils down to a kind of political nihilism.  They believe the whole system of politics is rigged against them and rotten to the core, and Trump’s norm-breaking behavior and his tendency to insult and degrade other politicians on both sides of the aisle endears him to them.  They instinctually believe, owing to this nihilism, that the attacks and allegations against Trump are the concoctions of the corrupt elites who control levers of traditional political power.  That’s why his crimes and antics only strengthen their support.

 

That’s one half of it.  The other half is much less complex—namely, that Trump’s vulgar outbursts give them the kind of basic, juvenile thrill that people get from the act of trolling.  You know the kind of sophomoric hahas people get from leaving an over-the-top incendiary comment in the comments section of a YouTube video that gets 10,000x more replies than the more thoughtful, nuanced takes?  Yeah, Trump basically continually supplies them with that kind of dopamine hit, and it’s very addictive, particularly to people consumed by political cynicism.

 

There is a touch of the whole ‘woke backlash’ sentiment, but it’s an ancillary aspect of their support, not an essential one.  That’s why they don’t abandon Trump for pols like DeSantis.   
 

One more confirmation that we’re in late empire stage.  (“Augustus who?  Nevermind, I don’t care, Rome is a shitshow these days anyways; just put a clown on the throne.  At least that would be funny.”)

[Hellhound]

11 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

The World Needs President Trump Now More Than Ever

WWW.NEWSWEEK.COM

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A chaotic, barbarous world is calling out for strong American leadership. And for that, there's only one option: a restoration of the Trump presidency.

 

I read about two paragraphs and had to tap out. That was the dumbest thing I have read in a while. 

[cusideabelincoln]

6 hours ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said:

I know quite a few Trump-fans from both traditionally Democratic and traditionally Republican backgrounds, and over the years the diagnosis of their support’s unshakability I’ve formed is that it boils down to a kind of political nihilism.  They believe the whole system of politics is rigged against them and rotten to the core, and Trump’s norm-breaking behavior and his tendency to insult and degrade other politicians on both sides of the aisle endears him to them.  They instinctually believe, owing to this nihilism, that the attacks and allegations against Trump are the concoctions of the corrupt elites who control levers of traditional political power.  That’s why his crimes and antics only strengthen their support.

 

That’s one half of it.  The other half is much less complex—namely, that Trump’s vulgar outbursts give them the kind of basic, juvenile thrill that people get from the act of trolling.  You know the kind of sophomoric hahas people get from leaving an over-the-top incendiary comment in the comments section of a YouTube video that gets 10,000x more replies than the more thoughtful, nuanced takes?  Yeah, Trump basically continually supplies them with that kind of dopamine hit, and it’s very addictive, particularly to people consumed by political cynicism.

 

There is a touch of the whole ‘woke backlash’ sentiment, but it’s an ancillary aspect of their support, not an essential one.  That’s why they don’t abandon Trump for pols like DeSantis.   
 

One more confirmation that we’re in late empire stage.  (“Augustus who?  Nevermind, I don’t care, Rome is a shitshow these days anyways; just put a clown on the throne.  At least that would be funny.”)

 

Nihilism born out of ignorance; ignorance perpetuated by the very corrupt, powerful entities that are actually rigging the system.

[TUFKAK]

9 hours ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said:

I know quite a few Trump-fans from both traditionally Democratic and traditionally Republican backgrounds, and over the years the diagnosis of their support’s unshakability I’ve formed is that it boils down to a kind of political nihilism.  They believe the whole system of politics is rigged against them and rotten to the core, and Trump’s norm-breaking behavior and his tendency to insult and degrade other politicians on both sides of the aisle endears him to them.  They instinctually believe, owing to this nihilism, that the attacks and allegations against Trump are the concoctions of the corrupt elites who control levers of traditional political power.  That’s why his crimes and antics only strengthen their support.

 

That’s one half of it.  The other half is much less complex—namely, that Trump’s vulgar outbursts give them the kind of basic, juvenile thrill that people get from the act of trolling.  You know the kind of sophomoric hahas people get from leaving an over-the-top incendiary comment in the comments section of a YouTube video that gets 10,000x more replies than the more thoughtful, nuanced takes?  Yeah, Trump basically continually supplies them with that kind of dopamine hit, and it’s very addictive, particularly to people consumed by political cynicism.

 

There is a touch of the whole ‘woke backlash’ sentiment, but it’s an ancillary aspect of their support, not an essential one.  That’s why they don’t abandon Trump for pols like DeSantis.   
 

One more confirmation that we’re in late empire stage.  (“Augustus who?  Nevermind, I don’t care, Rome is a shitshow these days anyways; just put a clown on the throne.  At least that would be funny.”)

I think there’s also the “grievance porn” factor too. These people objectively failed at life and instead of owning their failure they’re blaming everyone else for it. See it with the incels, the chuds, down to the conservatives. He speaks their language and they have an outlet/voice for their anger.

[BloodyHell]

On 10/23/2023 at 5:44 PM, outsida said:

Trump lost by 7million votes…. And if you go by the pivotal states from 2016 it’s 100s of thousands of votes. 

It was 50k to give him enough swing states to win.

Narrow Wins In These Key States Powered Biden To The Presidency

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Joe Biden topped President Trump by nearly 7 million votes, and 74 votes in the Electoral College, but his victory really was stitched together with narrow margins in key states.

44k more votes in 3 swing states gave him an electoral tie. 
 

pretending the numbers run up in states like NY and Cali matter is ridiculous. Biden won by a slim margin, and definitely hasn’t gained support since 2020.

 

 

[outsida]

I said “pivotal states from 2016” AKA PA WI MI…

[UpvoteShittyTakesOnly]

trump being bogged down in a billion criminal cases brought on by his hubris more than anything else is the funniest way for the 2024 election to go

[Massdriver]

Trump has edge over Biden in key battleground states, poll indicates - POLITICO

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The numbers painted a grim picture for the president.

 

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The president’s numbers were likely to be disappointing for him and his campaign in a number of important demographics, including among voters under 30, Hispanic voters, African American voters and urban voters. “In a remarkable sign of a gradual racial realignment between the two parties, the more diverse the swing state, the farther Mr. Biden was behind, and he led only in the whitest of the six,” the New York Times reported

 

[SuperSpreader]

Corporate News media is gonna get what they're dying for next year 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

39 minutes ago, Massdriver said:

Trump has edge over Biden in key battleground states, poll indicates - POLITICO

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The numbers painted a grim picture for the president.

 

There are some truly odd data in those polls, especially the data set that shows a not-insignificant group of "Kamala or Bust" voters.

 

Also, a "Generic Democrat" candidate not named Biden handily beats Trump in those states:

 

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Comparing Biden & 'a generic Dem':  

—AZ: Biden down 49/44, a Dem up 49/41 
—GA: Biden down 49/43, a Dem up 45/38 
—MI: Biden down 48/43, a Dem up 48/41 
—NV: Biden down 52/41, a Dem up 46/43 
—PA: Biden down 48/44, a Dem up 50/40
—WI: Biden up 47/45, a Dem up 51/39

 

 

So, it's not seemingly a wildly "pro Trump" swing.

[Jason]

8 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

There are some truly odd data in those polls, especially the data set that shows a not-insignificant group of "Kamala or Bust" voters.

 

Alsoo, a "Generic Democrat" candidate not named Biden handily beats Trump in those states:

 

 

So, it's not seemingly a wild "pro Trump" swing.

 

And as I've said before this is super early while people are not getting a lot of media exposure to Trump. 

[Massdriver]

I’m not surprised that a generic undefined Dem had more support than Biden. That isn’t unusual given how unpopular he is with independents. 

[Massdriver]

When the dust settles and Trump is declared the winner in 24, everyone will be asking how Biden lost. It will be because Dems stayed home or voted for someone else (think West not Trump). 
 

Yet Biden really doesn’t deserve the flack he gets. Inflation can be attributed to Trump era Fed policy, covid, and fiscal policy. Biden appears to be getting inflation under control. He also got a large infrastructure bill and a climate bill through on thinnest Senate majority possible. 

[SaysWho?]

17 minutes ago, Massdriver said:

When the dust settles and Trump is declared the winner in 24, everyone will be asking how Biden lost. It will be because Dems stayed home or voted for someone else (think West not Trump). 
 

Yet Biden really doesn’t deserve the flack he gets. Inflation can be attributed to Trump era Fed policy, covid, and fiscal policy. Biden appears to be getting inflation under control. He also got a large infrastructure bill and a climate bill through on thinnest Senate majority possible. 

 

I'm not upvoting for the Trump prediction, though to not stress myself out, I just view 2024 as a tossup so each poll and change in polling doesn't affect me. There's nothing to suggest either party has a lock, so I'm expecting a close election either way. The main thing I tell stressed Democrats is to try to volunteer to register voters, which is crucially important to increasing the pool of voters you can try to get to vote for obvious reasons (but reasons I think people undervalue). 2024 I view as important as 2020 because this old orange man doesn't want to let go of power once he gets it, and there needs to be a wholesale rejection of his ass.

 

I do think Biden has been underrated in what he's done -- he arguably did the max of what he could do the first two years given the paper-thin majorities in Congress -- and sometimes I feel even if he got paid leave and universal pre-k (two things I was really hoping would survive in 2021) signed into law, inflation would be overriding those, especially since they would have taken a while to implement. I wish people saw more that inflation is lower in the U.S. than other countries and we got our economy roaring quicker than other countries affected by COVID once the vaccines came out.

 

It probably would have been easier had Dems kept the House majority and he could get more passed by Congress, which they were close to doing in 2022.

[Keyser_Soze]

5 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

The main thing I tell stressed Democrats is to try to volunteer to register voters, which is crucially important to increasing the pool of voters you can try to get to vote for obvious reasons (but reasons I think people undervalue).

 

You talk to @CastletonSnob often?

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Speaking to what @SaysWho? thoughtfully posted, this analysis from Dan Pfeiffer indicates that strategy that Democrats should be implementing immediately focusing on the "double haters" (disapprove of both Biden and Trump) going forward:

 

How to Respond to the Very Bad NYT Poll

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The voters that disapprove of both Biden and Trump could be key to the election: Here's how to win them back

 

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Who are the “Double Haters”

 

Every election cycle, the political press likes to identify a specific group of voters as the ones to decide the election. In past cycles, we have seen “Reagan Democrats,” “Soccer Moms,” and “Security Moms.” This entire process is more than a little silly. Voters are much more complex than the buckets into which pundits try to shove them. In recent years, our elections have been so close that every demographic group is make or break.

 

However, there is utility to identifying segments of the electorate to track progress and test messaging. The flip side of “everyone and everything matters because our elections are so close” is that making even marginal improvements among one segment of the electorate can have an outsized effect on the outcome.

 

For this upcoming election, a group of voters called “Double Haters” — voters who disapprove of both Biden and Trump — are the focus. Recent polls show why they are so critical and what Democrats can do to win them back.

 

 

[SaysWho?]

10 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

Speaking to what @SaysWho? thoughtfully posted, this post by Dan Pfeiffer indicates that strategy that Democrats should be implementing immediately focusing on the "double haters" (disapprove of both Biden and Trump) going forward:

 

How to Respond to the Very Bad NYT Poll

WWW.MESSAGEBOXNEWS.COM

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The voters that disapprove of both Biden and Trump could be key to the election: Here's how to win them back

 

 

 

I like this article a lot and it's the level-headed response we should be looking at. I know, considering the person who's likely to be the GOP nominee, that the ramifications of another Trump presidency are huge, so it's not the easiest thing for Dems and Dem-leaners to just calmly process things, and I know the temptation is, "HE TRIED TO VIOLENTLY OVERTURN THE ELECTION DID WE FORGET THIS?!" But the best thing to do is to point to positives about Biden over negatives about Trump. I feel if we're pointing to Biden's accomplishments as Trump is mired in his criminal behavior (which will do all the talking), that's likely the best way to go about it.

 

In 2016, I don't know about the rest of you, but I kept hoping after the Comey letter on Oct. 28 that something big would be released about Trump which would reverse the drop in Hillary's poll numbers after that. But what should have been happening is a long, positive campaign to convince people who already thought Trump was horrible that Hillary was also a worthwhile vote. I think there was SOME of that in Hillary's campaign, but most of her ads were making Trump unelectable rather than increasing her favorables.

 

My gf's never been big on Biden but voted for him in 2020 and, while she's still not a huge fan, will easily vote for him over Trump in 2024. Those are the folks we need to be in contact with, and as hard as it can be for us, we need to be reasonable with our friends/family in this position instead of exasperated that the election is even close. 

 

There's a whole year to go. For now, if you're not in my position (media so I can't do anything politically), go volunteer to register voters! The only people who can vote are people who are registered (unless your state is cool with same-day registration), and so that's a finite pool of people. Expand the pool so if you're advantaged but underperform, you can still win. If you're disadvantaged and underperform, well... then you're Florida in 2022.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

We should probably expect to hear more of this in the coming days:

 

Former Obama strategist David Axelrod wonders if Biden should stay in presidential race - POLITICO

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"What he needs to decide is whether that is wise," David Axelrod said of Biden.

 

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David Axelrod, a prominent Democratic political strategist and former White House official, said on Sunday that President Joe Biden needed to think carefully about whether he should continue to seek reelection.

 

“Only @JoeBiden can make this decision,” Axelrod wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. “If he continues to run, he will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. What he needs to decide is whether that is wise; whether it’s in HIS best interest or the country’s?”

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

Well, the incumbent has a huge advantage, generally speaking. An unknown might have some advantages, but hard to say. There is no natural and popular successor to Biden at the national level, imo. Harris would lose. Maybe a governor who can shit talk as well as Trump, like Pritzker? 

[stepee]

I don’t know why you guys are acting like it will be a republican OR a democrat president when the forward party is here.

[MarSolo]

4 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

Well, the incumbent has a huge advantage, generally speaking. An unknown might have some advantages, but hard to say. There is no natural and popular successor to Biden at the national level, imo. Harris would lose. Maybe a governor who can shit talk as well as Trump, like Pritzker? 

I feel like the only possible person that could take on Trump, besides Biden, is Gavin Newsom.

[Massdriver]

It’s far too risky at this point for anyone else. Biden all the way!!

[SaysWho?]

Just now, Massdriver said:

It’s far too risky at this point for anyone else. Biden all the way!!

 

[stepee]

YANGGANG YANGGANG YANGGANG YANGGANG

[Keyser_Soze]

1 hour ago, stepee said:

YANGGANG YANGGANG YANGGANG YANGGANG

 

I thought we were all on that RFK train