LazyPiranha Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Finally got around to seeing RoS and holy shit what a cluster fuck. I had read the plot so I knew that was going to be a shit show but god damn I didn’t expect everything to suck as bad as it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 So Episode 8 as we got it basically combined Lucas' ideas for 7 and 8 (Luke being weird hermit that Rey/Taryn finds, Luke dying). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: So Episode 8 as we got it basically combined Lucas' ideas for 7 and 8 (Luke being weird hermit that Rey/Taryn finds, Luke dying). Very much looking forward to how the haters spin this one into a reason why rian johnson sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IdeaOfEvil Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 12 hours ago, johnny said: Very much looking forward to how the haters spin this one into a reason why rian johnson sucks He made a bad movie. Spin or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 43 minutes ago, IdeaOfEvil said: He made a bad movie. Spin or not. I'll never get sick of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I categorically refuse to accept that anything Lucas retrospectively says about Star Wars is accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Are people's opinions of Ep.8 supposed to change just because one or two pieces line up with Lucas's treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Reputator said: Are people's opinions of Ep.8 supposed to change just because one or two pieces line up with Lucas's treatment? Peoples opinions on star wars are very much like political opinions these days. If you disagree with something then not only are you wrong, but you are also a bad person. No one can just discuss anything anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Reputator said: Are people's opinions of Ep.8 supposed to change just because one or two pieces line up with Lucas's treatment? To me, it’s just more evidence that people are incorrect in their view that RJ doesn’t understand Star Wars or the characters. Whether people like the decisions or not is a separate issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Whether you like the finished product or not, I don't know how you can claim RJ doesn't understand Star Wars; you can't deconstruct something without intimate knowledge of how it ticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, Chris- said: Whether you like the finished product or not, I don't know how you can claim RJ doesn't understand Star Wars; you can't deconstruct something without intimate knowledge of how it ticks. I get what you're saying. It's like a cartoonist that must first study traditional human anatomy before they can create distortions of it. But what you call 'deconstruction', people that don't like his take would call 'misunderstanding'. It's a fundamental disagreement on what he actually did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdeaOfEvil Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Chris- said: Whether you like the finished product or not, I don't know how you can claim RJ doesn't understand Star Wars; you can't deconstruct something without intimate knowledge of how it ticks. That's a bit of an oxymoron. People don't like the movie because they recognize he doesn't understand Star Wars and/or its lore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Reputator said: It's a fundamental disagreement on what he actually did. A disagreement so fundamental, no good could ever come of discussing it further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, IdeaOfEvil said: That's a bit of an oxymoron. People don't like the movie because they recognize he doesn't understand Star Wars and/or its lore. I think @Chris- was asking how you can possibly claim that. It was obvious from the beginning that he understands the universe (much of the criticism against him ironically comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of who the characters are), but it's just more apparent now. "That's not how Luke would act." According to the creator of Star Wars, it is. It shouldn't matter regardless because he's not the one directing the movie, but when the argument is, "This isn't Star Wars," there needs to be something to substantiate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reputator Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I think @Chris- was asking how you can possibly claim that. It was obvious from the beginning that he understands the universe (much of the criticism against him ironically comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of who the characters are), but it's just more apparent now. "That's not how Luke would act." According to the creator of Star Wars, it is. It shouldn't matter regardless because he's not the one directing the movie, but when the argument is, "This isn't Star Wars," there needs to be something to substantiate that. I missed this part somewhere. Were more similarities revealed besides just Luke dying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Reputator said: I missed this part somewhere. Were more similarities revealed besides just Luke dying? George Lucas' Vision for the 'Star Wars' Sequel Trilogy Revealed WWW.SLASHFILM.COM A few pieces of concept art show off the only George Lucas sequel trilogy ideas that were in play before J.J. Abrams started over with The Force Awakens. Quote Among the pieces presented at the meeting were portraits of an older Luke Skywalker training a new disciple named Kira (who was later renamed Rey). The idea was that, 30 years after the fall of the Empire, Luke had gone to a dark place and secluded himself in a Jedi temple on a new planet. The paintings show Luke meditating, reassessing his whole life. Apparently, the initial plan for Star Wars: Episode 7 was that Luke, over the course of that movie, would rediscover his vitality and train this new Jedi. So basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas’ Episode 7. Imagine an alternate universe where Episode 7 was Luke reluctantly training a new Jedi – it would be completely different. So why did it change? Everyone realized that Luke Skywalker would better serve the needs of the story as the person that everyone seeks but does not find until the final scene of The Force Awakens. This allowed Han Solo more time as the mentor of the story, and the visuals of Luke training Rey on the site of an old Jedi temple were shelved for the next movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Hmmm, I see some things but there are some pretty important differences there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Fox Execs Told Lucas that Making Anakin a little kid would "destroy the franchise" Quote An excerpt from a 1999 Empire Magazine interview with George Lucas is currently making the rounds, in which Lucas recounts how 20th Century Fox executives were less-than enthusiastic about the director deciding to center the first film of the Prequel Trilogy around a 10-year-old Anakin Skywalker. "You're going to destroy the franchise, you're going to destroy everything." Lucas said of the Fox execs reactions to his story choices. He also recalled telling others at Lucasfilm that he was "making a movie that nobody wants to see." They weren't exactly wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 18 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: Fox Execs Told Lucas that Making Anakin a little kid would "destroy the franchise" They weren't exactly wrong Anakin being a little kid is one of the least problematic things in that movie, but yeah, I can’t hate on that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Anakin being a little kid is one of the least problematic things in that movie, but yeah, I can’t hate on that either. It was a bad decision from which all the other bad decisions sprung. I remember seeing that poster of little Anakin with the Vader shadow and I was like, what the fuck?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: It was a bad decision from which all the other bad decisions sprung. I remember seeing that poster of little Anakin with the Vader shadow and I was like, what the fuck?! Oh yeah, it’s got a great decision or anything. But when it’s in the movie with Hooknose Heeb, the obviously Jewish slave owner, Patois Binks, The More-Than-Slightly-Problematic-Gungan, and Totally-Not-Supposed-To-Be-Asian-Don’t-Worry-About-It space blockade folks... kiddo Anakin seems like a breath of fresh air in comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I would have no issues with a child Anakin if they'd made Obi-Wan the main character for the three movies, and had had a great child actor who could portray latent evil/violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I just had a weird thought. The Phantom Menace and The Sixth Sense were the two highest grossing movies of 1999. What if Jake Lloyd and Haley Joel Osment had switched roles? TPM gets better, but like Kal points out, there's still a lot of problems there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I mean Jake Lloyd wasn't great... but he didn't have a lot to work with either. That script was horrid especially the dialogue. Phantom Menace, when it works, does so in spite of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 THEY'VE GONE UP THE VENTILATION SHAFT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Now THIS is Podracing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, TheLeon said: I just had a weird thought. The Phantom Menace and The Sixth Sense were the two highest grossing movies of 1999. What if Jake Lloyd and Haley Joel Osment had switched roles? TPM gets better, but like Kal points out, there's still a lot of problems there. It's more than the actor. It's a trilogy and your first movie is set way before the fall of the republic/Anakin's relationship with Obi-Wan/the hunting down of the Jedi/Palpatine's influence on Anakin/getting to know Luke's aunt and uncle. That gives you two movies to do all that. While AOTC is a bad film, the first movie being set in that time period would have allowed more time to explore all of that. And in the aunt/uncle case, explore it at all because Obi-Wan never really got to know them in the prequels yet has these memories of what Luke's uncle was like during the Clone Wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 This guy at the meeting isn't a monster. He's just ahead of the curve. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I mean...he’s not wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 Marvel Reportedly Cancel Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker Comic SCREENRANT.COM Sad news for Star Wars fans. I approve of this decision - let's just move on from this and pretend it never actually happened, shall we? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Somebody turned Trevorrow's unused script into a webcomic Duel of the Fates — Andrew Winegarner AWINEGARNER.SQUARESPACE.COM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 On 3/7/2021 at 1:17 AM, skillzdadirecta said: Somebody turned Trevorrow's unused script into a webcomic Duel of the Fates — Andrew Winegarner AWINEGARNER.SQUARESPACE.COM On 10/13/2020 at 11:06 PM, skillzdadirecta said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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