Movies Dune - Official Thread of Spice, Sandworms, and Sleepers Awakening

[TwinIon]

Looking over the reviews a bit and I remain hyped.

 

I'm hoping that the inevitable box office disappointment is blamed on delta and same day HBO Max release. Warner still has plans to do at least one spin-off series, so there's some evidence they might move forward with the sequel even after it bombs. Here's hoping.

[Keyser_Soze]

Stick to the David Lynch version it sounds like.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

 

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Dune, Reviewed By Someone Who Popped an Edible Beforehand

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[heydude93]

 

[Mercury33]

Yes!!! Give us the second part!!!

[Bloodporne]

8 hours ago, heydude93 said:

 

I'm just glad to see one of his movies finally making some damn money

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

2 hours ago, Bloodporne said:

I'm just glad to see one of his movies finally making some damn money

 

But will it be ENOUGH money for WB to greenlight Part 2?  

[Bloodporne]

2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

But will it be ENOUGH money for WB to greenlight Part 2?  

Hopefully Part 1 is even good in the first place, let's see!

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

2 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

Hopefully Part 1 is even good in the first place, let's see!

 

The reviews from reputable critics have been generally positive:

 

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[Bloodporne]

1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

The reviews from reputable critics have been generally positive:

 

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Yeah I saw that, it looks promising and I like Villeneuve a lot. Just didn't really enjoy the trailers myself. Looks alright so far. I do dig the soundtrack though. 

[SimpleG]

4 hours ago, Bloodporne said:

I'm just glad to see one of his movies finally making some damn money

I had to go a look this up cause I would have sworn Blade Runner made bank , but nope .

[Bloodporne]

6 minutes ago, SimpleG said:

I had to go a look this up cause I would have sworn Blade Runner made bank , but nope .

Your reply made me check out a few of his movies and actually...some of them made quite a bit of bank if box office vs. budget is a metric I can go by. I was surprised to see that Arrival seems quite successful, thought that one went under the radar. 

[Chris-]

I’m sure it’s going to be a fine, dumb sci-fi romp that takes itself way too seriously. No reason they can’t juice Part 2 out of it. 

[legend]

22 minutes ago, Chris- said:

I’m sure it’s going to be a fine, dumb sci-fi romp that takes itself way too seriously. No reason they can’t juice Part 2 out of it. 

 

If he does a good job it shouldn't be a "dumb scifi," unless your definition for dumb is anything other than hard scifi.

 

To me, a dumb scifi would be movies like Lucy.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

3 minutes ago, legend said:

If he does a good job it shouldn't be a "dumb scifi," unless your definition for dumb is anything other than hard scifi.

 

To me, a dumb scifi would be movies like Lucy.

 

Personally, I tend to view Dune in a relatively similar manner to Star Wars in that I have difficulty categorizing it as "science fiction".  In contrast to Star Wars (space opera/fantasy), I have yet to come up with an appropriate categorization for Dune - perhaps "science fantasy"?

[legend]

1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

Personally, I tend to view Dune in a relatively similar manner to Star Wars in that I have difficulty categorizing it as "science fiction".  In contrast to Star Wars (space opera/fantasy), I have yet to come up with an appropriate categorization for Dune - perhaps "science fantasy"?

 

Yeah, I also think there should be more nuanced classifications in which Dune falls into something like "science fantasy." It doesn't try to convey a plausible future of humanity, but it uses fantastical technology as a tool to explore human elements (in this case, at the societal and political scale). I would be perfectly happy calling it "science fantasy" at least.

[Greatoneshere]

9 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

But will it be ENOUGH money for WB to greenlight Part 2?  

 

Given WB is bleeding auteur directors, I'm wondering if at this point they might be inclined to do it anyway to keep Denis happy, who wants to do Part 2 and also adapt Dune Messiah himself, as he's said (Dune Messiah is pretty short so that's very doable as one film).

 

7 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

Personally, I tend to view Dune in a relatively similar manner to Star Wars in that I have difficulty categorizing it as "science fiction".  In contrast to Star Wars (space opera/fantasy), I have yet to come up with an appropriate categorization for Dune - perhaps "science fantasy"?

 

I think science fantasy is pretty accurate. It's set so far into the future that science fiction seems almost wrong. It's not space opera either, because Star Wars is much more considerably sillier than Dune. I mean, God Emperor of Dune is more philosophy book than a normal plot narrative (and also my personal favorite one in the series).

[Kamusha]

Eh, science fiction is a much broader genre than some fans like to think it is. Space opera isn't a separate genre of itself, it's a sub-genre of science fiction. All of this sci-fi gatekeeping only confuses students whenever it comes time to teach them about genre classifications.

 

Anyways, I finally started listening to the audiobook, which I've had on my Audible account for well over a year. My goal is to finish it, or at least the first half if I'm too lazy, by the movie's release.

[legend]

On 9/23/2021 at 3:43 PM, Komusha said:

Eh, science fiction is a much broader genre than some fans like to think it is. Space opera isn't a separate genre of itself, it's a sub-genre of science fiction. All of this sci-fi gatekeeping only confuses students whenever it comes time to teach them about genre classifications.

 

Anyways, I finally started listening to the audiobook, which I've had on my Audible account for well over a year. My goal is to finish it, or at least the first half if I'm too lazy, by the movie's release.

 

It's not "gate keeping" to seek more nuanced descriptions and categorization  

[Kamusha]

5 hours ago, legend said:

 

It's not "gate keeping" to seek more nuanced descriptions and categorization  

It is gatekeeping to say that space operas aren’t sci-fi. I don’t think you were doing this though.

 

Its fine to seek more nuanced categorizations, but it’s good to acknowledge that these things are still part of the sci-fi genre, which is really quite broad.

[legend]

4 hours ago, Komusha said:

It is gatekeeping to say that space operas aren’t sci-fi. I don’t think you were doing this though.

 

Its fine to seek more nuanced categorizations, but it’s good to acknowledge that these things are still part of the sci-fi genre, which is really quite broad.

 

 

I still don't think that's gatekeeping   Gatekeeping is keeping people or something from benefiting from a system that you don't want them/it in irrespective of the merits. There's no effect or system being withheld with a more nuanced classification system of literature. There's nothing even derogatory if someone classifies a work as "space fantasy" but not "scifi". I think all the people discussing the idea here deeply enjoy instances of all of them.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, legend said:

 

 

I still don't think that's gatekeeping   Gatekeeping is keeping people or something from benefiting from a system that you don't want them/it in irrespective of the merits. There's no effect or system being withheld with a more nuanced classification system of literature. There's nothing even derogatory if someone classifies a work as "space fantasy" but not "scifi". I think all the people discussing the idea here deeply enjoy instances of all of them.

 

The base science fiction category was largely reserved for straight-white-male writers for ~100 years. The carve out of sub genres in the space is undeniably the result of gatekeeping. Whether it remains as such in 2021 is a separate issue, and I would tend to agree that we are better off with more nuance as opposed to less so that we can more easily identify the types of works we might be interested in.

[Kamusha]

37 minutes ago, legend said:

 

 

I still don't think that's gatekeeping   Gatekeeping is keeping people or something from benefiting from a system that you don't want them/it in irrespective of the merits. There's no effect or system being withheld with a more nuanced classification system of literature. There's nothing even derogatory if someone classifies a work as "space fantasy" but not "scifi". I think all the people discussing the idea here deeply enjoy instances of all of them.

It is gatekeeping because certain scifi fans have very specific idea of what sci-fi should be. They want sci-fi to only be used for things they see as more cerebral and technology focused. It’s protecting the label against things seen as less cerebral and tech based.

 

And just because I see sci-fi as being a broad term doesn’t mean you can’t have a nuanced view on what it is. Looking at the science fiction Wikipedia entry. The genre itself is broad with lots a smaller sub genres. There is a lot of nuance here. Genres themselves are broad terms. If you want nuance look then focus on sub genres.

 

Outline of science fiction - Wikipedia

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[legend]

56 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

 

The base science fiction category was largely reserved for straight-white-male writers for ~100 years. The carve out of sub genres in the space is undeniably the result of gatekeeping. Whether it remains as such in 2021 is a separate issue, and I would tend to agree that we are better off with more nuance as opposed to less so that we can more easily identify the types of works we might be interested in.

 

 

 

53 minutes ago, Komusha said:

It is gatekeeping because certain scifi fans have very specific idea of what sci-fi should be. They want sci-fi to only be used for things they see as more cerebral and technology focused. It’s protecting the label against things seen as less cerebral and tech based.

 

And just because I see sci-fi as being a broad term doesn’t mean you can’t have a nuanced view on what it is. Looking at the science fiction Wikipedia entry. The genre itself is broad with lots a smaller sub genres. There is a lot of nuance here. Genres themselves are broad terms. If you want nuance look then focus on sub genres.

 

Outline of science fiction - Wikipedia

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If you can point to an author not getting published because of any number of irrelevant reasons, especially ones as obviously bigoted as race, that absolutely would be gatekeeping. Classification for discussion itself is not though, otherwise you might as well call all classification of literature gatekeeping.

[Kamusha]

54 minutes ago, legend said:

 

 

 

 

 

If you can point to an author not getting published because of any number of irrelevant reasons, especially ones as obviously bigoted as race, that absolutely would be gatekeeping. Classification for discussion itself is not though, otherwise you might as well call all classification of literature gatekeeping.

 

I think we have different understandings of what the word gatekeeping means, which is why seem to have more issue with the use of the word itself. I would rather not the conversation be focused on the use of the word gatekeeping itself, and more on the differences between genre and sub-genre, so I will avoid using the word from now on because I know there are a lot of negative connotations associated with it. This isn't a debate on gatekeeping, so by focusing on that word the larger point is being lost.

[Keyser_Soze]

I think if you’re an innocent little robot like @legend and say space fantasy is a sub-genre of sci-fi (but space fantasy is still included under the umbrella) then you’re not gatekeeping you’re bookkeeping.

If you are like some picky patties at this board who declare Star Wars a fantasy movie but not sci-fi because of lack of science then you are gatekeeping.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, legend said:

otherwise you might as well call all classification of literature gatekeeping.

You are inadvertently catching on 😉

[legend]

1 minute ago, sblfilms said:

You are inadvertently catching on 😉

 

I mean, if gatekeeping means something so general that all language becomes gatekeeping, it doesn't really mean much to say something is gatekeeping  

[BloodyHell]

On 9/20/2021 at 1:32 PM, Bloodporne said:

Your reply made me check out a few of his movies and actually...some of them made quite a bit of bank if box office vs. budget is a metric I can go by. I was surprised to see that Arrival seems quite successful, thought that one went under the radar. 

 

Arrival wasn't under the radar. It was huge, and nominated for best picture all over the place. 

 

On 9/25/2021 at 11:53 AM, sblfilms said:

 

The base science fiction category was largely reserved for straight-white-male writers for ~100 years. The carve out of sub genres in the space is undeniably the result of gatekeeping. Whether it remains as such in 2021 is a separate issue, and I would tend to agree that we are better off with more nuance as opposed to less so that we can more easily identify the types of works we might be interested in.

Very few genres were written by anything but white males for a hundred years (and more). It was a function of the time, not of Sci-Fi itself. Mystery novels, crime, fantasy, romance etc etc. I think conflating scifi with racism is a bit disingenuous, it was publishing as a whole. The difference was, where contemporary novels had racist depictions of black people, depictions of the future usually had nobody of color, at all.

Actually, Avery Brooks directed an episode of DS9 about exactly this issue (black people getting published in 20th centuryAmerica), called "Far Beyond the Stars". It's still considered one of the best episodes of the show. 

 

 

[BloodyHell]

On 9/25/2021 at 2:17 PM, Keyser_Soze said:

I think if you’re an innocent little robot like @legend and say space fantasy is a sub-genre of sci-fi (but space fantasy is still included under the umbrella) then you’re not gatekeeping you’re bookkeeping.

If you are like some picky patties at this board who declare Star Wars a fantasy movie but not sci-fi because of lack of science then you are gatekeeping.

Yep. Because we all know how good the science is in other popular scifi shows, lol. 

I was gonna say fans are ridiculous, but really it's just people. People are ridiculous.

[ort]

Nothing is less interesting to me than arguing about what genre or sub-genre something belongs in. I mean, zzzzzzz... who cares. My nerd friends do this all the time, and it's like, seriously people, who fucking cares? It's all so pedantic and utterly pointless.

 

Part of what makes many franchises popular is that the don't fit in a box. Stop shoving things in boxes. It just doesn't matter. Are we organizing a blockbuster or something? Why does anyone care what genre it belongs in?

 

Anyway, go on discussing whatever makes you happy... I'll see myself out.

[Mercury33]

Is this thread back to being about Dune yet? Or is the single nerdiest argument of all time still raging?

[Jason]

4 hours ago, Mercury33 said:

Is this thread back to being about Dune yet? Or is the single nerdiest argument of all time still raging?

 

The salt must flow.

[Keyser_Soze]

If you'd like to talk about something just bring it up. Don't be a baby and complain about what other people are saying.