PC AMD RDNA3 Presentation Today at 4pm EST

[Spork3245]

December 13th release date

[Spork3245]

Oh, it has a USB-C out on the back with the display outs too. I never understood why nVidia got rid of it after the 2000 series

[TwinIon]

As someone that is interested in a 4080 to game at 4K, I'll keep an eye on how these stack up once we get some actual bench numbers in. Unfortunately, I think that with DLSS3 that nVidia will still be my default choice, but I'm willing to see what AMD can do, especially since it seems like AMD has a price advantage.

[elbobo]

I was hopping on and off during work, did they show a single benchmark gaming slide comparing this to either 30xx/40xx or even their previous gen cards

[Spork3245]

Just now, elbobo said:

I was hopping on and off during work, did they show a single benchmark gaming slide comparing this to either 30xx/40xx or even their previous gen cards

No. Just FSR on and off IIRC.

[cusideabelincoln]

1 minute ago, elbobo said:

I was hopping on and off during work, did they show a single benchmark gaming slide comparing this to either 30xx/40xx or even their previous gen cards

 

This was all we got

 

 

[crispy4000]

Excited to see them (presumably) going down the frame generation route.  But nothing was said as to how they'll address input lag.

[elbobo]

Just now, Spork3245 said:

No. Just FSR on and off IIRC.

 

not super confidence inspiring then. The price of $999 for the top end card looks massively better than $1600 for the 4090 but that is only if their isn't a large performance gap.

[elbobo]

3 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said:

 

This was all we got

 

 

 

if those numbers aren't cherry picked then it would put the raw performance close a 4090 which generally is about 60% over a 6950xt but that doesn't take it account nvidia's advantages in RT and frame generation.

 

hopefully we get reviews in the next couple of weeks.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

 

Some napkin math:

 

7900 XTX vs. 4090, 4K

 

COD MW2: 4% slower

WD Legion: 9% slower

Cyberpunk: 7% slower

RE Village: 28% slower

Metro EE: 41% slower

 

 

In non-RT, almost as fast as a 4090.

 

In RT, much slower than a 4090 but holds up a little better than the 6900 vs 3090 did.

 

Sourced numbers:

 

TechPowerUp

WWW.TECHPOWERUP.COM

 

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Multiplayer Benchmark | TechSpot

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Modern Warfare II is breaking franchise records and today we're throwing over 40 graphics cards at this new Call of Duty game to see what kind of...

 

[Spork3245]

3 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said:

 

Some napkin math:

 

7900 XTX vs. 4090, 4K

 

COD MW2: 4% slower

WD Legion: 9% slower

Cyberpunk: 7% slower

RE Village: 28% slower

Metro EE: 41% slower

 

 

In non-RT, almost as fast as a 4090.

 

In RT, much slower than a 4090 but holds up a little better than the 6900 vs 3090 did.

 

Sourced numbers:

 

TechPowerUp

WWW.TECHPOWERUP.COM

 

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Multiplayer Benchmark | TechSpot

WWW.TECHSPOT.COM

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Modern Warfare II is breaking franchise records and today we're throwing over 40 graphics cards at this new Call of Duty game to see what kind of...

 

Worth noting that everyone was way off with these types of estimates when using the 4000-series bull-charts and comparing it to the 3090 Ti.

[legend]

Did they announce anything about AI software support?

[Zaku3]

5 minutes ago, legend said:

Did they announce anything about AI software support?

 

No but there was a mention of some AI chips on the GCM. I think AMD still believes in seperate gaming/workstation cards so there next workstation card might dig more into it.

[legend]

Just now, Zaku3 said:

 

No but there was a mention of some AI chips on the GCM. I think AMD still believes in seperate gaming/workstation cards so there next workstation card might dig more into it.

 

Thanks. I think they're right in the short term that gaming and AI applications are mostly different spaces. It's also true that regular GPUs are pretty good at "inference" of AI models without special support. But all that is not going to hold true for that long. What Nvidia is doing with AI and gaming is is only the beginning and it would be a benefit to AMD to have more dedicated support.

[Zaku3]

Ok so I may have cancer. Got a bunch of tests to take. 

 

Still was hyped when they announced 999.99. 

 

Gotta prepare myself for the disappointment of being able to only get a 7900XT.

[Massdriver]

I'm liking the power efficiency. 

[Brian]

25 minutes ago, Zaku3 said:

Ok so I may have cancer. Got a bunch of tests to take. 

 

Still was hyped when they announced 999.99. 

 

Gotta prepare myself for the disappointment of being able to only get a 7900XT.

if there is anything I can do, feel free to reach out. 

[Paperclyp]

I am clueless about the current market: 

 

how impossible will it be to get one of these in the first few months, year?

[Spork3245]

5 minutes ago, Paperclyp said:

I am clueless about the current market: 

 

how impossible will it be to get one of these in the first few months, year?

Not too bad if you actively try and use in-stock websites. Grabbing a 4090 was not that bad and I’ve seen them pop in stock here and there for a few minutes since launch.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

36 minutes ago, Zaku3 said:

Ok so I may have cancer. Got a bunch of tests to take. 

 

Still was hyped when they announced 999.99. 

 

Gotta prepare myself for the disappointment of being able to only get a 7900XT.

 

Please let me know if there's anyway that I can assist!  Anyway at all!

[stepee]

1 hour ago, Zaku3 said:

Ok so I may have cancer. Got a bunch of tests to take. 

 

Still was hyped when they announced 999.99. 

 

Gotta prepare myself for the disappointment of being able to only get a 7900XT.

 

oh man, thoughts are with you, really hope it’s early on and easily treatable or better yet a false alarm, please keep us posted 

[Dre801]

On paper, sounds like a hell of a card and value.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

5 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

Worth noting that everyone was way off with these types of estimates when using the 4000-series bull-charts and comparing it to the 3090 Ti.

 

This one?

 

 

It's not that far off if you ignore the DLSS3 charts lol.

 

From AMD's charts it does seem like the 7900 XTX will match the 3090 Ti in ray-tracing performance. Maybe it'll be a little faster in some titles, slower in others, which means  it should be competitive with the cancelled 4080 12GB, and I assume that's why the prices are around $900-$1000.

[Spork3245]

9 hours ago, cusideabelincoln said:

 

This one?

 

 

It's not that far off if you ignore the DLSS3 charts lol.

 

From AMD's charts it does seem like the 7900 XTX will match the 3090 Ti in ray-tracing performance. Maybe it'll be a little faster in some titles, slower in others, which means  it should be competitive with the cancelled 4080 12GB, and I assume that's why the prices are around $900-$1000.

 

People were estimating a "normal generational leap" which would be +25-35% (3090 Ti vs 4090) without DLSS/DLSS3. What we got is closer to +65-80%, which is the biggest leap since the GeForce3 Ti 500 vs GeForce 4 Ti 4600, and not anywhere near what we've been accustomed to as of late.

To clarify; the bull-charts themselves weren't really all that wrong, people trying to figure things out based on benches without actual numbers were.  

[Spork3245]

8 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

Please let me know if there's anyway that I can assist!  Anyway at all!

Everyone’s goal for @Zaku3right now should be to help the man find a 7900xtx for sale on December 13th.

[Mr.Vic20]

 I'll get my guy on it, he's usually pretty good about securing such things. 

[Spork3245]

This is the current estimated benchmarks for the 7900 XTX

Grain of salt

[Mr.Vic20]

As you said, with a grain of salt. I doubt those numbers, but I could see them being roughly in the ball park but a touch high. If they turn out to be real then AMD has done some great work here!

[Mr.Vic20]

I'm much more interested in AMDs answer to DLSS3, as the better their solution, the better it is for our shiny new cards going forward! I prepfer DLSS but its always nice when a game has at least FSR. 

[elbobo]

I'm betting that AMD left a lot more headroom in their cards for their AIB partners to play with vs the 4090 FE which is essentially running a pretty hardcore OC out of the box

[Mr.Vic20]

8 minutes ago, elbobo said:

I'm betting that AMD left a lot more headroom in their cards for their AIB partners to play with vs the 4090 FE which is essentially running a pretty hardcore OC out of the box

Given the power requirements (355W), it does seems possible. 

[crispy4000]

4 hours ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

I'm much more interested in AMDs answer to DLSS3, as the better their solution, the better it is for our shiny new cards going forward! I prepfer DLSS but its always nice when a game has at least FSR. 

 

There's also the chance that their solution fixes the vsync/lag problem before NVIDIA's.  We still don't know if it's actually using AI either, or even if it requires RDNA3.

 

I really want this tech to get to a point where 60fps w/ frame generation is indistinguishable from raw 60fps.  But the language AMD used doesn't give me hope.

[crispy4000]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-rx-7900-xtx-is-rtx-4080-competitor-fsr3-may-be-supported-by-pre-rdna3-architectures
 

Transcribed from interview

[Mr.Vic20]

The way they breezed over FRS3 in the reveal and then hyped up FSR2.2 tells me that AMD knows peopel are hyped by DLSS3 and therefore wanted a counter solution to announce. I'm betting its not close to ready and we won't see it trully used in a game until Q2 of later of next year. 

[Ghost_MH]

15 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

The way they breezed over FRS3 in the reveal and then hyped up FSR2.2 tells me that AMD knows peopel are hyped by DLSS3 and therefore wanted a counter solution to announce. I'm betting its not close to ready and we won't see it trully used in a game until Q2 of later of next year. 

 

That's reasonable. They said it wouldn't be available until next year. Were it available in Q1, they could have announced it as being a few months away.