Fizzzzle Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 It's a thing that bugs me, and I still see it all the time. Bush was not a Nazi. Obama was not a Nazi. Trump was not a Nazi. Putin is not a Nazi. Xi is not a Nazi. The Nazis as they existed do not fit on our current political left/right spectrum the way people wish they did. Every time I see someone on twitter call [x political leader/party] nazis I just groan. Yes, I know this reads like something a high school sophomore would say after reading a history book for the first time. I just literally saw someone on Twitter call Putin's government a "nazi regime." Putin is many horrible things, and he even shares some similarities with Hitler, but he is not a fucking Nazi. You know who actually were Nazis? .... the Nazis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Trump is a Nazi surrounded by Nazis doe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jason said: Trump is a Nazi surrounded by Nazis doe. Also Nazis seem to think Trump is one of them so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: Xi is not a Nazi. The Uyghurs would disagree with you Does he meet the absolute textbook definitions of "Nazi" , probably not. Is it a fair comparison , yes it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I just use the term "fascist" instead of "Nazi" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: I just use the term "fascist" instead of "Nazi" Which is the correct way to characterize these types of authoritarians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 They’re only nazis if they come from the nazi region of Germany otherwise it’s just sparkling fascism 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Fizzzzle said: It's a thing that bugs me, and I still see it all the time. Bush was not a Nazi. Obama was not a Nazi. Trump was not a Nazi. Putin is not a Nazi. Xi is not a Nazi. The Nazis as they existed do not fit on our current political left/right spectrum the way people wish they did. Every time I see someone on twitter call [x political leader/party] nazis I just groan. Yes, I know this reads like something a high school sophomore would say after reading a history book for the first time. I just literally saw someone on Twitter call Putin's government a "nazi regime." Putin is many horrible things, and he even shares some similarities with Hitler, but he is not a fucking Nazi. You know who actually were Nazis? .... the Nazis. Perhaps I'm wrong but on the tradition left/spectrum they mos def fit in on the right. Nazism is a reactionary conservate ideaology. Yes Bush/Obama aren't Nazi but mos def war criminals. Putin isn't a Nazi but he is probably a fascist considering how right wing he is. Xi isn't a Nazi but I do think the comparison is okay due to the Uyghurs. Now to the big one. I can't suspend my disbelief enough to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. Legit had a copy of Mein Kampf according to an ex-wife. He even seems to draw inspiration from them with his "Big Lie". Now I'd almost say he is a fascist but the rascism throws him into the Nazi camp. Not saying fascists can't be racists but I'd say the biggest differences between fascism and Nazism is the race component. Though tbh if you wait long enough fascism probably gets there anyway since there is always gonna need to be a scapegoat for why things aren't improving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: They’re only nazis if they come from the nazi region of Germany otherwise it’s just sparkling fascism Crap ya. Trump is a Neo-Nazi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePi Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Certainly not to defend war criminals, but has there ever been a nation or armed force involved in military conflict that actually acted honorably with regards to the rules of war? Has there ever been a war in modern history that didn't have some number of atrocities committed by both sides? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, ThreePi said: Certainly not to defend war criminals, but has there ever been a nation or armed force involved in military conflict that actually acted honorably with regards to the rules of war? Has there ever been a war in modern history that didn't have some number of atrocities committed by both sides? Absolutely not. Only way to not have war crimes is not not be involved in a war. But war crimes are also on a sliding scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Absolutely not. Only way to not have war crimes is not not be involved in a war. But war crimes are also on a sliding scale. Where does throwing puppies off a cliff land on said scale? EDIT: I realize this is not technically a war crime (or maybe it is? idk) but you get the idea lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, ThreePi said: Certainly not to defend war criminals, but has there ever been a nation or armed force involved in military conflict that actually acted honorably with regards to the rules of war? Has there ever been a war in modern history that didn't have some number of atrocities committed by both sides? There's a difference between committing war crimes and the entire point of the war being to go commit war crimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I’m getting tired of people behaving in ways that invite comparison to history’s greatest evil 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jason said: There's a difference between committing war crimes and the entire point of the war being to go commit war crimes. I bring it up more as a I hope we do better in thr future and we can't consider ourselves the "good guys" when you keep double tapping weddings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 I’ll stop comparing Republicans to Nazis when they stop acting like Nazis. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 43 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: I’ll stop comparing Republicans to Nazis when they stop acting like Nazis. And going to Nazi conventions. Paul Gosar spoke to a white nationalist conference, and they chanted his name WWW.AZMIRROR.COM Arizona Congressman Paul Gosar surveyed the crowd as he settled in at the podium for the Feb. 26 headlining speech at the America First Political Action Conference, an event organized by a young white nationalist. And being the party of Nazis. Self-described Nazis and white supremacists are running as Republicans across the country. The GOP is terrified. WWW.VOX.COM The racist candidates are expected to lose, but they could drag their party down with them. How Trump Brought Nazis Into Republican Politics NYMAG.COM Trump may not be Hitler, but he is close enough for Hitler fans. And having their official news channel be Nazi propaganda. Quiz: Can You Tell the Difference Between Tucker Carlson and an Admitted White Supremacist? WWW.ROLLINGSTONE.COM Tucker Carlson has pushed the white nationalist idea of the "great replacement" in response to the surge of Haitian refugees at the border. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Anyone else getting tired of people playing semantic games with admited racists and xenophobes? I don't see why anyone should be upset by comparing these folks to Nazis when they have no problem acting like them. These fuckers have turned it into a badge of honor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Anyone else getting tired of people playing semantic games with admited racists and xenophobes? I don't see why anyone should be upset by comparing these folks to Nazis when they have no problem acting like them. These fuckers have turned it into a badge of honor. 2010: Why Is This GOP House Candidate Dressed as a Nazi? - The Atlantic WWW.THEATLANTIC.COM The unusual hobby of Rich Iott, would-be congressman from Ohio Why would we need to be neutral about Nazis...unless you're a Nazi? Scott Baldwin, Republican Indiana state senator, said teachers should be impartial on Nazism - The Washington Post WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM Indiana state Sen. Scott Baldwin's comments came during a committee hearing over his proposed bill banning critical race theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Did Homeland Security Use ‘14’ And ‘88’ As Nod To Nazis – The Forward FORWARD.COM A numerical system of interpretation can be a way for a group to communicate with itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 I don’t much care for semantics games. I usually use the term fascist, but if the shoe fits, whatever. And the Republican Party overall is swiftly moving in that direction, with plenty of them already there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Sounds like someone is being a really "Nazi" Nazi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Just now, TheLeon said: Sounds like someone is being a really Nazi Nazi. This guy had ZERO problems being labled a Nazi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 I'm curious what the GOP will call themselves once they have full control over everything in 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: I'm curious what the GOP will call themselves once they have full control over everything in 2025. Hey man, remember - these are not the views of the majority of the population. We’re not going to let these fuckers take over without a fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: these are not the views of the majority of the population That's what the gerrymandering and voter suppression is for. 6 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: We’re not going to let these fuckers take over without a fight. Cool go talk to Joe about Merrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jason said: That's what the gerrymandering and voter suppression is for. Cool go talk to Joe about Merrick. There really does need to be a massive movement against that fuck. Yet the “liberal media” sleeps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 4 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: Also Nazis seem to think Trump is one of them so... Reminds me of this: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 1 hour ago, SaysWho? said: Reminds me of this: But actually they are all racists lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Almost like people who compare every act of sexual misconduct to Harvey Weinstein? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Uaarkson said: Hey man, remember - these are not the views of the majority of the population. We’re not going to let these fuckers take over without a fight. I mean, the GOP would also lose the popular vote every time if we used it, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 32 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: Almost like people who compare every act of sexual misconduct to Harvey Weinstein? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted April 14, 2022 Author Share Posted April 14, 2022 I just think comparing anyone you don't like to Nazis/Hitler is emotionally manipulative. You can't come up with an actually good argument to why someone is bad so you say they're a Nazi, because everyone agrees Nazis are bad, therefore if you say someone else is a Nazi, then everyone has to be on your side, otherwise that makes THEM Nazis, too. You don't have to call Putin a Nazi for everyone to agree that he's a skid mark on the underpants of civilization. You don't have to call Trump a Nazi to believe he's a pathological liar and narcissist. Those things are very, very evident to people with brains. Putin and Trump may be many things, and there is certainly plenty of overlap in the venn diagram comparing them to Nazis, but what they are not, are Nazis. It's emotionally manipulative and intellectually dishonest to just call anyone you don't like a Nazi. Thankfully I don't see it here very often, if ever. It's mainly reserved for the bird app and youtube comments sections, or your aunt's facebook posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 8 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: They’re only nazis if they come from the nazi region of Germany otherwise it’s just sparkling fascism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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