Movies Ridley Scott hops on Martin Scorcese's superhero hate train

[Mercury33]

Nolan has def been consistently good but I still think Scott’s peaks are much higher. 

[Moa]

On 11/22/2021 at 1:27 PM, Bloodporne said:

I thought it was unintentionally hilarious. The scene in the attic made the whole theater burst out laughing when I saw it. Kid jumping out of the window especially was great.

 

I loved hereditary and also found that scene funny in a naturalistic sort of way. It was abrupt and anticlimactic but also a totally reasonable reaction. "Yeah, this is fucked, I'm out."

[skillzdadirecta]

On 11/22/2021 at 11:27 AM, Bloodporne said:

I thought it was unintentionally hilarious. The scene in the attic made the whole theater burst out laughing when I saw it. Kid jumping out of the window especially was great.

19 minutes ago, Moa said:

 

I loved hereditary and also found that scene funny in a naturalistic sort of way. It was abrupt and anticlimactic but also a totally reasonable reaction. "Yeah, this is fucked, I'm out."

 

Last night I was looking for a horror movie to watch with my neices and when i suggested Hereditary and they said it was more funny than scary to them  We ended up watching Eli.

[Bloodporne]

8 hours ago, Moa said:

 

I loved hereditary and also found that scene funny in a naturalistic sort of way. It was abrupt and anticlimactic but also a totally reasonable reaction. "Yeah, this is fucked, I'm out."

 

8 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 

Last night I was looking for a horror movie to watch with my neices and when i suggested Hereditary and they said it was more funny than scary to them  We ended up watching Eli.

I watched it again on YouTube real quick actually to remind myself but yeah, it's the mounting levels of absurdity and then the combo of the kid's "freak out" delivery and camera angle that makes it really funny to me. Abrupt is the right word. The image of a floating Toni Collette sawing her own head off with wire (or whatever it was) is so over-the-top to me that it kind of looks like parody, then you're hit with the naked old folk sex cult about to gangbang the poor kid who has been Monty Python levels traumatized already and THEN there's the bizarre cut to his face simply going "AHHH!" and silently turning around and awkwardly sprinting out of the VERY fake looking window. The kid totally reminds me of George Michael Bluth's character in that moment, the body language and delivery. 

 

It's not like "Italian Horror from the 70s, so insanely weird/bad that it's funny" but I think the scene legit plays out like ultra-black slapstick humor. Maybe it was intentional? The rest of the movie didn't point to it at all which is why I found it extra funny and jarring. I actually really liked other aspects of the film's family drama. The sequence of the car accident especially is fucking harsh. It's just the weird heel turn into over-the-top absurdity in the last act that made me actually laugh and baffled me majorly. I couldn't tell if it was intentional or not but I remember thinking that it probably wasn't? 

[Brick]

I'm going to need to see that scene again. Got the YouTube link? 

[Keyser_Soze]

52 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

It's not like "Italian Horror from the 70s, so insanely weird/bad that it's funny" but I think the scene legit plays out like ultra-black slapstick humor. Maybe it was intentional? The rest of the movie didn't point to it at all which is why I found it extra funny and jarring. I actually really liked other aspects of the film's family drama. The sequence of the car accident especially is fucking harsh. It's just the weird heel turn into over-the-top absurdity in the last act that made me actually laugh and baffled me majorly. I couldn't tell if it was intentional or not but I remember thinking that it probably wasn't? 

 

Yeah this was pretty much my complaint. What the first half of the movie sets up for the ending just goes bonkers but not in a good way.

[Bloodporne]

1 hour ago, Brick said:

I'm going to need to see that scene again. Got the YouTube link? 

 

There's even a little DING! sound when the music stops lol 

[SimpleG]

1 hour ago, Bloodporne said:

 

I watched it again on YouTube real quick actually to remind myself but yeah, it's the mounting levels of absurdity and then the combo of the kid's "freak out" delivery and camera angle that makes it really funny to me. Abrupt is the right word. The image of a floating Toni Collette sawing her own head off with wire (or whatever it was) is so over-the-top to me that it kind of looks like parody, then you're hit with the naked old folk sex cult about to gangbang the poor kid who has been Monty Python levels traumatized already and THEN there's the bizarre cut to his face simply going "AHHH!" and silently turning around and awkwardly sprinting out of the VERY fake looking window. The kid totally reminds me of George Michael Bluth's character in that moment, the body language and delivery. 

 

It's not like "Italian Horror from the 70s, so insanely weird/bad that it's funny" but I think the scene legit plays out like ultra-black slapstick humor. Maybe it was intentional? The rest of the movie didn't point to it at all which is why I found it extra funny and jarring. I actually really liked other aspects of the film's family drama. The sequence of the car accident especially is fucking harsh. It's just the weird heel turn into over-the-top absurdity in the last act that made me actually laugh and baffled me majorly. I couldn't tell if it was intentional or not but I remember thinking that it probably wasn't? 

It so slap stick because they wrote themselves into a corner, because Paimon needs/wants decapitions. Parts of the story are written to facilitate this and its done so poorly.

 

Charlie is alergic to nuts so let's have some high schoolers make a cake with nuts at a party,she eats, has reaction and on the drive to the hospital she sticks her head out the window,  a dear pops out causing her to hit her head on a telephone pole.

 

Toni collet needs to lose her head so let's have her freak the fuck out and cut it off herself with some wire? 

 

It turns into a final destination level accidents with even worse writing. 

[Mercury33]

So I haven’t seen Hereditary, the girl freaked me out. But after the discussion here I was curious so I read the plot on Wikipedia. The whole thing read like

lol what?? The acting and atmosphere must be through the roof for it to have gotten the praise it got because the story itself sounds stupid as hell

[SimpleG]

36 minutes ago, Mercury33 said:

So I haven’t seen Hereditary, the girl freaked me out. But after the discussion here I was curious so I read the plot on Wikipedia. The whole thing read like

lol what?? The acting and atmosphere must be through the roof for it to have gotten the praise it got because the story itself sounds stupid as hell

Toni collet must have needed physical therapy for months after filming wrapped up because her acting carried that film the entire way through it.

[Bloodporne]

I think I deserve credit for such a thorough thread derail. 

[SimpleG]

3 hours ago, Bloodporne said:

I think I deserve credit for such a thorough thread derail. 

[Kamusha]

I think all of Hereditary is pretty campy, whether intentional or not. The turn especially comes apparent after the seance. I saw it in theaters and I literally burst into laughter once the credits hit. I really enjoyed it but wasn't expecting it to be so over the top and campy based on the reactions.

 

Midsommar is a better movie because it has a better control over its own tone. It's funny when it means to be funny.

[Mercury33]

Midsommar I liked very much 

[skillzdadirecta]

5 hours ago, Bloodporne said:

I think I deserve credit for such a thorough thread derail. 

[Fizzzzle]

Still having fun for no reason, I decided to compare Eastwood, Spielberg, and Scorsese, since they all started at around the same time.

 

Clint Eastwood - much more Ridley Scott-esque, but a lot of his work tends towards "good, not great". Only High Plains Drifter, The Outlaw Josey Wales, Unforgiven, Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby, and Letters from Iwo Jima rate above a 7.5.

 

 

Steven Spielberg, much more consistently great, though with a few bummers

 

 

Martin Scorsese - very consistently great

[Mercury33]

Hook being Spielberg’s lowest is straight horse shit. 

[GeneticBlueprint]

24 minutes ago, Mercury33 said:

Hook being Spielberg’s lowest is straight horse shit. 

 

Amen. That movie is fucking great.

[Keyser_Soze]

4 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

 

Amen. That movie is fucking great.

 

Rufio! Rufio!

[GeneticBlueprint]

1 minute ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Rufio! Rufio!

Ru-fi....OOOOOOOOOooooo

[Mercury33]

Pirate Baseball, the fake food, Ru-fi-OOOOOOOOO!!!

 

Movie is easily one of his best

[GeneticBlueprint]

Doesn't deserve its own thread but relevant:

 

 

 

I'm currently sitting next to a full size filing cabinet of about 2000 comic books. Half of which are Marvel comics. But I definitely agree that this is probably the worst thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

[skillzdadirecta]

24 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

Doesn't deserve its own thread but relevant:

 

 

 

I'm currently sitting next to a full size filing cabinet of about 2000 comic books. Half of which are Marvel comics. But I definitely agree that this is probably the worst thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

Isn't this kinda what people applaud DC for with movies like The Joker? I'm confused why this is the worst thing people have seen in their lives. I'm not saying this is a GREAT idea but I don't think it's a BAD one either. 

[GeneticBlueprint]

1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Isn't this kinda what people applaud DC for with movies like The Joker? I'm confused why this is the worst thing people have seen in their lives. I'm not saying this is a GREAT idea but I don't think it's a BAD one either. 

 

A couple reasons for me: Because Marvel already dominates the action and sci-fi genres. I don't want them encroaching on drama and whatever else. While art has always used allegory and myth for real-world story comparisons I feel like filtering something like the Ukraine crisis right now through the Marvel machine specifically would make its purpose hollow when it's spit out the other end as the Sokovian conflict or whatever.

 

As an aside: I wasn't a fan of the Joker. But I don't think that's a fair comparison to what the video that this tweet is critiquing is since it's like an origin story of a known character. The guy in the video wants to choose randos and make stories of their lives. 

[skillzdadirecta]

6 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

I feel like filtering something like the Ukraine crisis right now through the Marvel machine specifically would make its purpose hollow when it's spit out the other end as the Sokovian conflict or whatever.

Comics have ALWAYS done this. I don't think Marvel would do something like that right now, but if you don't think the entertainment industry isn't going to exploit the Ukranian conflict in various ways I don't know what to tell you. Shit, they were putting comic books out while World War 2 was going ON.

 

as for The Joker, what I meant was smaller, more focused stories... the kind of stories Marvel gets criticised for NOT making. The specific examples made in that video may not be the best ones, but something of that ilk. One of the most memorable Spiderman stories was a comic called The Kid who collects Spiderman. A story in that vein is what they are talking about I think. i don't necessarily agree but again, I thought that's what people wanted from Marvel. To think outside the box and takes risks

[GeneticBlueprint]

1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Comics have ALWAYS done this. I don't think Marvel would do something like that right now, but if you don't think the entertainment industry isn't going to exploit the Ukranian conflict in various ways I don't know what to tell you. Shit, they were putting comic books out while World War 2 was going ON.

 

as for The Joker, what I meant was smaller, more focused stories... the kind of stories Marvel gets criticised for NOT making. The specific examples made in that video may not be the best ones, but something of that ilk. One of the most memorable Spiderman stories was a comic called The Kid who collects Spiderman. A story in that vein is what they are talking about I think. i don't necessarily agree but again, I thought that's what people wanted from Marvel. To think outside the box and takes risks

 

Right. I know and stated this specifically. I'm saying I don't want stories going through the existing Marvel Machine as it stands now because the resulting product would be so watered down it'd be barely recognizable and thus pretty meaningless, but extremely successful all the same.

[thewhyteboar]

2 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

Doesn't deserve its own thread but relevant:

 

 

 

I'm currently sitting next to a full size filing cabinet of about 2000 comic books. Half of which are Marvel comics. But I definitely agree that this is probably the worst thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

Good lord. That was horrible.

[SimpleG]

We have had this before with 

Marvels - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

Or I am misunderstanding what they are talking about ?

 

Also a good movie is a good movie , I dont give a damn who makes it.

[heydude93]

I haven't seen it yet so this is speculation, but was Logan not an example of this?  It definitely seemed like a more character-driven, emotional arthouse story than most superhero films. And Joker was basically Taxi Driver + King of comedy for the current generation, so that definitely fits the bill. In any event, I wouldn't doubt the possibility of several MCU movies like that being made soon since it's a pretty solid idea.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Just now, heydude93 said:

I haven't seen it yet so this is speculation, but was Logan not an example of this?  It definitely seemed like a more character-driven, emotional arthouse story than most superhero films. And Joker was basically Taxi Driver + King of comedy for the current generation, so that definitely fits the bill. In any event, I wouldn't doubt the possibility of several MCU movies like that being made soon since it's a pretty solid idea.

 

Logan isn't considered to be part of MCU, but I do agree that it kinda/sorta qualifies.

[skillzdadirecta]

4 minutes ago, heydude93 said:

I haven't seen it yet so this is speculation, but was Logan not an example of this?  It definitely seemed like a more character-driven, emotional arthouse story than most superhero films. And Joker was basically Taxi Driver + King of comedy for the current generation, so that definitely fits the bill. In any event, I wouldn't doubt the possibility of several MCU movies like that being made soon since it's a pretty solid idea.

I'd expect anything like this from Marvel being made on the TV front to be honest.

[Greatoneshere]

I thought the point of the video was to point out that such stories exist, they just are non-MCU films. You know, regular drama films, romantic films, etc. I assumed the idea was they can get those movies, they just don't take place in the MCU. Go see The Irishman, etc. Wasn't that what makes it so cringy?

[GeneticBlueprint]

4 hours ago, Greatoneshere said:

I thought the point of the video was to point out that such stories exist, they just are non-MCU films. You know, regular drama films, romantic films, etc. I assumed the idea was they can get those movies, they just don't take place in the MCU. GO see The Irishman, etc. Wasn't that what makes it so cringy?

 

[Keyser_Soze]

 

[Kal-El814]

2 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

He’s not wrong. But I think a lot of this comes down to instant access and algorithms. If Netflix starts to think you like a specific kind of movie you have to actively work to resist that. I don’t think it’s conceptually different than mainly sticking to the action section in a movie rental place back in the day, it’s just borderline weaponized because of the instant feedback you get while watching. 
 

Honest question though, is anyone out there saying stuff like Doctor Strange, TDK, or Logan are art films? Outside of stan culture I mean, that’s candy land over there.