Anathema- Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, SaysWho? said: You said they followed her lead; he clearly hasn't. Jesus Christ there's fucking three other people on that stage, not everything is exclusively focused on Bernie goddamn Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Alpha1Cowboy said: Bernie has 1 foot in the grave....if he somehow got to be President....him dying in office would not be an unexpected thing so VP in his case is as good as President....and sabermetrically I'd go with Sanders/Klobuchar to make that play to swing voters in the midwest states Trump won or moderate Democrats in general...but my heart wants Sanders/Warren. Of course I understand the VP nominee will likely come form none of these...but it will play a major factor this time around I feel. That'd be fantastic as I'd love a Warren/Pence debate. I think the progressive ideas are underestimated in the midwest, especially considering the progressive histories of states like Wisconsin and even Kansas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 Just now, Anathema- said: Jesus Christ there's fucking three other people on that stage, not everything is exclusively focused on Bernie goddamn Sanders. You said the others followed her lead, though. He's one of the others. It is way too early in the day to be this angry, and it's kind of weird that you're arguing with me as if I'm some Twitter caricature who pissed you off. Chill, it's all good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 ROFL Bloomberg isn't dead he doesn't live or die on the debate stage, other candidates do because their donors demand they do well, he can just drop $200million on ads and that'll be that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Anathema- said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 50 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I'm shocked that the Republican who dislikes Trump wants the guy who was recently Republican and endorsed George W Bush and wants the progressives to go after each other instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: ROFL Bloomberg isn't dead he doesn't live or die on the debate stage, other candidates do because their donors demand they do well, he can just drop $200million on ads and that'll be that He lives on good polling and endorsements and "momentum". Money has helped make a splash but these live appearances matter. The only difference is that he doesn't have to worry about money dying up after that disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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legend Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 This is the best Warren meme from last night that I've seen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 I gotta admit, I did like Buttigieg's, "I liked Sanders before liking Sanders was cool," line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Jose said: That is not their best work. Years First Bloom Trampled 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Anathema- said: He lives on good polling and endorsements and "momentum". Money has helped make a splash but these live appearances matter. The only difference is that he doesn't have to worry about money dying up after that disaster. Bloomberg isn't immune to the money pressure, Yang on CNN said Bloomberg is calling DNC donors and asking them to starve the other candidates saying "he's got this" . He doesn't got this and they'll keep funding Biden and Buttigieg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: He doesn't got this and they'll keep funding Biden and Buttigieg. Several Joe Biden fundraisers jump ship from his struggling campaign to back Mike Bloomberg (CNBC) Of course, last night's events may cause yet another change of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: ROFL Bloomberg isn't dead he doesn't live or die on the debate stage, other candidates do because their donors demand they do well, he can just drop $200million on ads and that'll be that He's definitely not dead, but this is a ridiculous oversimplification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 While Bloomberg was scalped in a debate most people didn't see, I saw at least 5 of his commercials while watching Masked Singer, he ain't going away anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jose said: He's definitely not dead, but this is a ridiculous oversimplification. Shot on stage, died later of complications from his injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I do think Bloombefg learns from this and improves. He's not going anywhere. He may well play a Trump-like spoiler on down the line. We'll see how it shakes out on Super Tuesday. As good as it was to see him be eviscerated, I don't think that has ended him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Just now, CayceG said: I do think Bloombefg learns from this and improves. He's not going anywhere. He may well play a Trump-like spoiler on down the line. We'll see how it shakes out on Super Tuesday. As good as it was to see him be eviscerated, I don't think that has ended him. Rich people get more chances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Saw this and thought I'd comment here rather than the cesspool that is twitter politics. I don't think there is necessarily an inconsistency here. The actual election is for all intents and purposes a 2-candidate election, and there are good arguments for using simple plurality rather than the insanity of the electoral college in that case. The primary, however, has many candidates running. Pluralities are kind of a shit system when you have more than 2 candidates. While I'm not sure I like what the convention has in place, I think it's reasonable to take a position of using simple plurality for a full 2-candidate election, and something else for a primary where you have many candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Dodger said: While Bloomberg was scalped in a debate most people didn't see, I saw at least 5 of his commercials while watching Masked Singer, he ain't going away anytime soon. Democrats who vote in primaries pay a lot of attention to these debates (which is why stuff like Christie's attack on Rubio was so effective in 2016), and you have to remember that every local news station is playing national stories about the debate, especially Nevada, and a lot of people watch the news and go on FB and see these headlines, dude. The narratives about debates aren't confined just to those who watched it live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 If you have 5 candidates and the vote is split: A - 45% B - 14% C - 14% D - 14% E - 13% Then I think A should win with the plurality. If it's: A - 25% B - 20% C - 20% D - 20% E - 15% Then I don't think A should automatically win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Sigh Ranked choice national primary and national general vote counts. That's how we make this a democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Democrats who vote in primaries pay a lot of attention to these debates (which is why stuff like Christie's attack on Rubio was so effective in 2016), and you have to remember that every local news station is playing national stories about the debate, especially Nevada, and a lot of people watch the news and go on FB and see these headlines, dude. The narratives about debates aren't confined just to those who watched it live. Well we could hope this is like the time Gabbard completely body bagged Harris and Harris never recovered, but Bloomberg is too well funded. I think the big outcome will more of a boost to Warren than a fall for Bloomberg. He obviously didn't help himself any, but he's still plastering himself all over I assume everything Super Tuesday related. Warren needs a boost from this because Bernie is starting to pull away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Bloomberg's rise hasn't been solely due to his massive ad spends. His "earned" air-time has been just as big of a factor. That will change after last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 40 minutes ago, Dodger said: While Bloomberg was scalped in a debate most people didn't see, I saw at least 5 of his commercials while watching Masked Singer, he ain't going away anytime soon. I saw more Steyer commercials today / yesterday than Bloomberg. Which is odd because he wasn't even in the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 For the first time this cycle, I actually watched most of the debate, and I'm glad I did. Warren came off as the easy winner to me, but she was already my pick so I'm biased. She landed her blows where it counted, but also didn't go for less important questions about Bernie Bros or Klobuchar forgetting a name. I know she's not far from Bernie in her proposals, and her poor performances meant that no one was going after her, but I think she walked away from that debate having come off as a plausible middle ground candidate. I don't think Sanders or Biden really gained or lost any ground. For being the front runner, Sanders didn't really take that many shots, but I don't feel like he did much to grow his coalition. I think Buttigieg's comments about him being absolutist actually hit home, and I don't think he did much to dissuade that notion. Speaking of Buttigieg, I think he did pretty well. I don't like him much at all, but I think he played to his strengths, positioned himself as the consensus candidate, and his attacks on Sanders and Bloomberg as being dangerously controversial feel like the right angle of attack for him. Much more than before, I see why people might gravitate to him, even if I still don't like him much. I'm glad that Klobuchar is still in the race, but I feel like she didn't come off that well last night. She took more fire than I'd expect for someone with the lowest level of overall support up there. She didn't do a bad job, but I don't think she did much to distinguish herself. Bloomberg was a dumpster fire for the first half of the debate. It was obvious that everyone up there would have a bone to pick with him, and with his recent surge it made sense for everyone to go after him, but he seemed wholly unprepared for that. He also didn't seem to have much of a platform to fall back on other than "I can win." In the second half, when the conversation turned to socialism and some of Bernie's more extreme plans, I think he came off better. He's obviously more comfortable being dismissive of worker ownership or the word "socialism" than he is at actually proposing something positive. I really dislike him and hope this debate sinks his chances, but I do actually think he's good practice for the general election. It's basically like we have a Republican in the Democratic debate. Even if I think that worker ownership is a good idea, and Pete's middle ground of "well, companies should have the choice as to if they give up 20% of their ownership or not" is naive and silly, I don't think it plays well on a debate stage. Maybe calling all this "communism" feels old fashioned and stupid to the Democrats watching, but I wouldn't be surprised if it rings true to a broader audience. So yeah, I'd love for this to effectively kill his chances at a win, but for him to stay in long enough that the eventual nominee (whoever it ends up being), gets in some good practice running against an egoistic NYC billionaire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Is this Donald Trump mocking someone for misspelling something in a tweet? Like FUCKING REALLY? SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU ILLITERATE FUCKSTICK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Oh, Hamberders. Where is Melanie to stop the Cyberbullying. Very infair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Hopefully Warren surprises on Saturday. I'd love to see her on the debate stage with Trump. She's by far the best debater. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 A lot of early voting has already happened so this debate may be too late for her to win, but I suspect if she doesn't get a solid #2 out of this she's pretty much toast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: A lot of early voting has already happened so this debate may be too late for her to win, but I suspect if she doesn't get a solid #2 out of this she's pretty much toast Yeah, a victory is out of the question, but #2 is within grasp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Having Warren somehow become the "moderate" compromise candidate and come in second to Sanders would be fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 That Mayoist memo isn't really doing him any favors when it all but says "I can't win on my own merits so I need someone else to drop out". It really makes him look weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I'm surprised Klob's meltdown last night isn't being discussed more. Not that she ever mattered, but I can't see her even making it to Super Tuesday at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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