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Films You Can No Longer Watch as They've Been Ruined by the Actions of Those Involved

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I've been mulling this over for a week now before deciding to post this. With all the Depp/Heard drama it has gotten me thinking as to what films I can't even really enjoy like I used to just because someone involved in said film has since come out as being a total piece of shit.

 

This being said, I'm just curious as to who and which projects are you unable to watch or find as much enjoyment out of as you used to, due to an actor/director/producer/whomever was involved that when you see it now you just cannot even bear the thought of seeing it again.

 

Zombieland, Pineapple Express, and Aquaman immediately come to mind obviously (gee I wonder where Chef stands on THAT situation!?) Cosby's classic stand up where he talks about giving his kids cake for breakfast, one of the all time great sets but I just can't stand to look at him anymore. I would say the vast majority of anything Weinstein produced just makes me initially feel grimy when it first starts, which sucks as I love all of QT's work. Also, I can't help shake this feeling of "Did Jada ruin 'Demon Knight'!?", I'll have to watch it again to get a better vibe.

 

Anyways, just wanted to start what could be an intriguing conversation.

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None because I’m a terrible person and watch this stuff to be entertained. Mel Gibson might be batshit crazy but I’m still watching Lethal Weapon when it’s on.

 

Miyazaki could kill my mom and I’d probably still buy his next game.

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I separate the art from the artist pretty well. The pianist is one of the best movies of all time imo, even though Polanski can burn in hell and die. I love apocalypto, braveheart, and honestly pretty much everything Mel Gibson has done apart from the patriot. 

 

Does that make me a bad person for supporting their work? I don't know, maybe. I'm just also a pessimist and kind of assume everyone in Hollywood are kid diddling psychopaths until proven otherwise, so... eh.

 

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55 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

OP will never see The Ninth Gate ever again.

Correction, I have never seen it to begin with.

 

I have to say, that Mel Gibson comment ... to that point & let's include Tom Cruise and more recently even, Bill Murray. I can appreciate the art of film they have put out even though I know personally they are something of an acquired taste let's say. What's insane is if I have that mentality towards those talents, why not others? Hadn't even really thought about that aspect of it until just now so thanks for enlightening me @Dodger

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When ever this topic comes up I am reminded that @GeneticBlueprint explained to me how to separate man from art.

 

Some of my favorite films are from Roman Polanski

Black Metal is teeming with White Nationalists but if its good , Ill listen

The last Manson album was pretty good and I still listen to it

As much as I hate Jackie Chan , his fight choreography is second to none.

And I fathom most of us on here have played games made by some real shit heel companies .

I am sure  if someone wanted to they could find out that every piece of media has a dick bag of an individual connected. 

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45 minutes ago, SimpleG said:

When ever this topic comes up I am reminded that @GeneticBlueprint explained to me how to separate man from art.

 

Some of my favorite films are from Roman Polanski

Black Metal is teeming with White Nationalists but if its good , Ill listen

The last Manson album was pretty good and I still listen to it

As much as I hate Jackie Chan , his fight choreography is second to none.

And I fathom most of us on here have played games made by some real shit heel companies .

I am sure  if someone wanted to they could find out that every piece of media has a dick bag of an individual connected. 

 

I definitely believe in doing that for the most part. I don't remember a specific convo but I'm curious what I said specifically that resonated with you?

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21 hours ago, SimpleG said:

I am sure  if someone wanted to they could find out that every piece of media has a dick bag of an individual connected. 

This. I don’t tend to pay attention to the lives of those involved in the art and entertainment that I enjoy. Of course sometimes it can’t be avoided, but even then I’m usually able to separate the art from the artist.

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4 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

What if you supporting them directly funded terrible causes?

I am sure I already do. Buying music from band camp or listening to bands on Spotify that support right wing racism is money in their pocket that I would guess they put to their causes. I buy electronics and other items that I have no doubt are made by child slave labor . I love my nephew and his husband to death but I still buy Chick Fila .

 

10 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Like say you separate the art from the artist of Roman Polanski but the money you support him with goes directly to a child pornography ring? Do you still support watching his movies?

He got my money long ago so what he does with it I have no control over, If he made a great new film and said all profits go to the "Polanksi Pedo Productions" I am gonna watch it. 

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I think it's easier to disassociate from a musical artist than someone who is the face of their work.  I remember when Tripp Eisen joined Static-X and later it came out he was a child molester. Well if you're in a band they can kick you out (like they did) plus those albums weren't that great to begin with. Things like black metal and white nationalism well, I think you probably figure that comes with the territory so you know what you're getting into.

 

But if it's an actor or director you know that they're trash and people around them and yourself are letting them get away with it, that feels a bit more icky.

 

I think there are probably a lot more good people out there doing good things than there are bad people doing a good thing occasionally and a bad thing more often that makes it pretty easy to avoid the shitty people.

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11 hours ago, silentbob said:

I hate OJ Simpson and wish he were still rotting in jail, but I will watch that fucking Naked Gun Series until the day I die 😋

 

I can't help but laugh at his opening scene especially the wet paint.

 

Oh no!

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8 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

I think it's easier to disassociate from a musical artist than someone who is the face of their work.  I remember when Tripp Eisen joined Static-X and later it came out he was a child molester. Well if you're in a band they can kick you out (like they did) plus those albums weren't that great to begin with. Things like black metal and white nationalism well, I think you probably figure that comes with the territory so you know what you're getting into.

 

But if it's an actor or director you know that they're trash and people around them and yourself are letting them get away with it, that feels a bit more icky.

 

I think there are probably a lot more good people out there doing good things than there are bad people doing a good thing occasionally and a bad thing more often that makes it pretty easy to avoid the shitty people.

Even in music it happens, though. Think of Lostprophets. Their music was pretty alright, but after their lead singer raped a bunch of toddlers, their music just sounds so much more... rapey now. It's hard to get past that.

 

I don't know, I just don't judge people for listening/watching whatever they want to. I don't think enjoying lostprophets music means you endorse baby rape. I don't think enjoying Braveheart makes you an anti-semite. I don't think listening to Marilyn Manson makes you.... endorse whatever the shit he's up to, that dude's a mess.

 

If those things make you not want to listen/watch whatever they did anymore, then cool. If you don't really care, then also cool.

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There’s no hard and fast answer to this, I think it all depends on the art, the artist, and the relation between the two.  I can watch Lethal Weapon, I can’t watch Braveheart.  The mincing gay son, the way his lover is unceremoniously murdered, the fridging of his wife, they’re all just wasaaaay too close to comfort for the “real” Mel Gibson for my tastes.  Also hard to watch any John Landis stuff.

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33 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

Even in music it happens, though. Think of Lostprophets. Their music was pretty alright, but after their lead singer raped a bunch of toddlers, their music just sounds so much more... rapey now. It's hard to get past that.

 

Their music always sucked so it was easy for me. :p

 

33 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

If those things make you not want to listen/watch whatever they did anymore, then cool. If you don't really care, then also cool.

 

It's kind of like shitty people at work, it's pretty easy to disengage or disassociate from them and never speak to them again. Or some "friend" you know who's a POS, it's easy to not engage with that person ever. It's the same thing with music and movies. There are millions of artists and movies who aren't that thing that could easily fill that void. It's not as hard as people make it seem to be.

 

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1 hour ago, 69los said:

 

I can't help but laugh at his opening scene especially the wet paint.

 

Oh no!


Plus seeing him get shot several times, hurt in a hospital bed and rolling/falling over a railing just gives me a warm feeling (even though it’s not him him, but still a wonderful visual)

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6 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

It's kind of like shitty people at work, it's pretty easy to disengage or disassociate from them and never speak to them again. Or some "friend" you know who's a POS, it's easy to not engage with that person ever. It's the same thing with music and movies. There are millions of artists and movies who aren't that thing that could easily fill that void. It's not as hard as people make it seem to be.

There’s a difference between shitty people that you personally know and directly associate/engage with, and a person that you don’t know who you discovered something shitty about who had a part in art or entertainment that you might like. They’re usually not solely responsible for the creation of the art and entertainment, so I don’t tend to let one bad apple spoil the bunch. But if I felt negatively enough about them to the point where their involvement in something would hinder my enjoyment of it then it wouldn’t be hard for me to avoid, because like you said there’s plenty of other options. But like @SimpleG said, you could probably find out something shitty about someone involved in almost all art and entertainment if you looked.

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There could be content that becomes uncomfortable and as such loses its appeal though due to non-artistic actions of an artist. Imagine for example if Fred Rodgers turned out to be a child molester? His show takes on a whole different feel, and I would find it difficult to enjoy it with that new lens applied.

 

My general rule is very simple: I don’t purchased goods or services for which I have a moral or ethical issue with the production of those items, whatever the producers do with their money after I trade for their goods or services is not my concern because otherwise it becomes effectively impossible to participate in the economy because there is always somebody in the chain doing something with the proceeds of economic transactions that I personally disapprove of.

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2 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

It's kind of like shitty people at work, it's pretty easy to disengage or disassociate from them and never speak to them again. Or some "friend" you know who's a POS, it's easy to not engage with that person ever. It's the same thing with music and movies. There are millions of artists and movies who aren't that thing that could easily fill that void. It's not as hard as people make it seem to be.


This is actually why I find most “I’m not buying their stuff ever again!!” posts so amusing. Due to the incredible ease of substitution, choosing to not purchase content from a specific artist costs you nothing and as such it is wholly a tool for grandstanding :p 

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