RedSoxFan9 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Neither were the conditions experienced by Bauer and McCain, yet you posted that tweet Both were captured on the other side of the world and tortured. McCain came home with injuries, married an heiress, and had the media kiss his ass for the rest of his life. Bauer came home and continued his work as a journalist. Former slaves were stuck living in the US and continued to be mistreated by their former masters. Clearly poor little McCain should be allowed to use racial slurs. ? good post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, RedSoxFan9 said: Both were captured on the other side of the world and tortured. McCain came home with injuries, married an heiress, and had the media kiss his ass for the rest of his life. Bauer came home and continued his work as a journalist. Former slaves were stuck living in the US and continued to be mistreated by their former masters. Clearly poor little McCain should be allowed to use racial slurs. ? good post Bauer was not tortured. Read his book on his time in Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, sblfilms said: Bauer was not tortured. Read his book on his time in Iran. Solitary confinement is torture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Solitary confinement is torture Regardless of agreement or disagreement on that, he wasn’t in solitary for almost any of his time in Iran and it’s not comparable to the years of physical and mental abuse McCain suffered just as McCain’s time in captivity is not comparable to the trauma experienced by the average chattel slave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Why are we comparing degrees of torture endured to justify using a horrific slur? He said the word gook on a fucking campaign trail. That is not ok regardless of circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 So it’s okay for him to unapologetically say gook? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 He eventually apologized and said he would never use that term again. And by any account I can find, in the nearly 20 years since he never did. I wouldn't consider that "unapologetically". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kal-El814 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 We know Trump hates McCain. I hate this kind of “reporting.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 we are such a good country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: He eventually apologized and said he would never use that term again. And by any account I can find, in the nearly 20 years since he never did. I wouldn't consider that "unapologetically". Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jose said: Why are we comparing degrees of torture endured to justify using a horrific slur? He said the word gook on a fucking campaign trail. That is not ok regardless of circumstances. Exactly. It was wrong to use a racial slur, even if one can understand why a man of his time and circumstance would. 11 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: So it’s okay for him to unapologetically say gook? No. 8 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: He eventually apologized and said he would never use that term again. And by any account I can find, in the nearly 20 years since he never did. I wouldn't consider that "unapologetically". I hope this is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: We know Trump hates McCain. I hate this kind of “reporting.” There's an article on Yahoo about how the WH flag is back to full staff. This shit is maddening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I will give the Imbecile some backhanded "credit" for sticking to his guns and not even bothering to pretend to hide his dislike, even at the risk of the scorn being heaped on him. It could very well be the most "honest" thing he's done since getting into the Oval Office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 14 hours ago, SilentWorld said: Honestly, I don't really see why it's so unreasonable to be happy about the death of a guy that you despised? It seems to me it'd be dishonest for @RedSoxFan9 to be praising McCain for being a great statesman and whatnot, since he clearly doesn't believe that to be true. I'm not saying it's wrong to be civil btw, I just don't think it's wrong to be uncivil either. We've become a culture and nation of assholes and seem shocked that we elected... an asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 This whole talk about politicians disliking politicians reminds me of this. I think it was revealed they shook hands before this, but still, McCain did not want to shake it again and really didn't like Obama at this point ("that one"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: We've become a culture and nation of assholes and seem shocked that we elected... an asshole. Well you don't need to be an asshole about Americans being assholes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 20 hours ago, Chris- said: Grown men using 'square' unironically in 2018 Uh, I don't know how "up" you are on current slang but "square" has definitely made a comeback in recent years.... see also "L-7" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: Well you don't need to be an asshole about Americans being assholes. i've never denied being an asshole. I pride myself on assholery. But there's a difference between being an asshole and a FUCKING asshole. America crossed that line once the internet became widely available and reality TV became a thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jose said: Link? 11 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I hope this is true. From what I can tell this is a relatively sparsely covered story from 2000, which is a genuinely different time than today. So the Google front page for this search is covered with a few stories inititally covering this, and then much later opinion pieces discussing is. But if you dig a little more, there is this NYT article from just a couple weeks after the initial incident. Quote Criticized for describing his North Vietnamese captors with the racial epithet, Mr. McCain at first defended its use as justified when applied to his jailers (though not other Asians), given the abuse he and his fellow prisoners had suffered at their hands. On Feb. 18, however, perhaps with an eye to the California primary on Tuesday, the Arizona Republican apologized and pledged never to utter the word again. Since there was never any followup story that I can find in all the years since, as far as I can tell he followed through on the pledge to never say it again. Whether he did so out of political expediency, or genuine racial sensitivity, I guess it's up for the individual to decide. My opinion is that the episode is not a statement on McCain's hatred of Asian people but his hatred of his captors(understandable) and his inability to understand why some would not accept his insistence that his use of that word was meant to apply only to his captors(much less understandable). To me then, I suspect he kept thinking of his captors in that same way to himself, but public acquiescence of the second point seems like he was effectively remorseful even if he didn't "feel" it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Chairslinger said: My opinion is that the episode is not a statement on McCain's hatred of Asian people but his hatred of his captors(understandable) and his inability to understand why some would not accept his insistence that his use of that word was meant to apply only to his captors(much less understandable). To me then, I suspect he kept thinking of his captors in that same way to himself, but public acquiescence of the second point seems like he was effectively remorseful even if he didn't "feel" it. Your breakdown seems accurate. If McCain was too old or too thick-headed to see the obvious logic that using a racist term because you hate your captors is a bad thing (because the racist term is applicable to the entire group, not just your captors) I'm not sure why the immediate response isn't to default to more neutral yet still harsh insults like "those motherfuckers" or whatever. Logic should always win. Adults are stupid, news at 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Does @RedSoxFan9 like John McCain? It’s hard to tell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Jose said: There's an article on Yahoo about how the WH flag is back to full staff. This shit is maddening. I don't care that Trump being a dick, breaking norms, or hating McCain isn't new information, I want people to be constantly reminded he's doing those things, even as it's increasingly the status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Does @RedSoxFan9 like John McCain? It’s hard to tell. He’s got a huge crush on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, TwinIon said: I don't care that Trump being a dick, breaking norms, or hating McCain isn't new information, I want people to be constantly reminded he's doing those things, even as it's increasingly the status quo. Exactly... The President sitting there with his arms folded like a defiant toddler should because he doesn't want to honor a man who was ten times the man he is SHOULD be front and center on the news. Fuck Trump and fuck the people that want to normalize this shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, TwinIon said: I don't care that Trump being a dick, breaking norms, or hating McCain isn't new information, I want people to be constantly reminded he's doing those things, even as it's increasingly the status quo. Also, we think he hates McCain. We don't "know" that. It's incumbent on reporters to ask him until they get a direct answer and not assume his feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, Jason said: 28 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: MAKE UP YOUR MINDS YOU FUCKERS "Flag Watch" is actually going to be something running on CNN over the next few days, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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