Genocide Israel be genociding thread

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

17 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Also all the end times stuff that requires an Israeli state to exist.

Mike pompeo is one of these people it's always worth noting

[Kal-El814]

Saw people protesting outside a Puma store today, with a couple youths wearing MAGA-style hats that said "Make Israel Palestine Again"

[Brick]

54 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

Saw people protesting outside a Puma store today, with a couple youths wearing MAGA-style hats that said "Make Israel Palestine Again"

 

MIPA? 

[Anathema-]

make istanbul constantinople again

[thewhyteboar]

39 minutes ago, Anathema- said:

make constantinople byzantium again

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

17 hours ago, Anathema- said:

make istanbul constantinople again

 

17 hours ago, thewhyteboar said:

 

This was an objective of tsarist Russian foreign policy in the 19th century.

[Guest]

 

[Joe]

So I searched that awful tag on Twitter and I went to latest. It seems to almost entirely be a discussion of that BBC reporter (who is fucking crazy), but did not see any actual anti-semitism. Was this something that happened a few days ago or?

[Guest]

SBC tweeted that a couple days ago and I believe Twitter did begin policing it more since then

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

7 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

 

cute, after he provided cover to Israel during what looked like was building to a genocide. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

this shit sucks man

 

 

[Guest]

Fret not, Khameni is here for the purification of the holy land! Just wants it cleaned up, is all.

[Air_Delivery]

2 hours ago, sblfilms said:

Fret not, Khameni is here for the purification of the holy land! Just wants it cleaned up, is all.

I don't get the point of these kinds of posts. It doesn't justify anything Israel is doing. 

[Joe]

24 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said:

I don't get the point of these kinds of posts. It doesn't justify anything Israel is doing. 

He’s solely doing it for the AbsolutSurgen upvotes at this point lol

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Air_Delivery said:

I don't get the point of these kinds of posts. It doesn't justify anything Israel is doing. 

It gives context to what this conflict is actually about. Hamas isn’t shooting rockets because of settlements, they are shooting rockets because their goal is the destruction of the Jews. 
 

But you’ve already said murdering Jews is cool, so we don’t really need to engage on this point.

[Jason]

Settle down there Mr. Shapiro. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

To be fair there's only one side actually doing ethnic cleansing and it's not the one who the Ayatollah aligns with

[Air_Delivery]

1 hour ago, sblfilms said:

It gives context to what this conflict is actually about. Hamas isn’t shooting rockets because of settlements, they are shooting rockets because their goal is the destruction of the Jews. 
 

But you’ve already said murdering Jews is cool, so we don’t really need to engage on this point.

You are purposefully mischaracterizing what I said so 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

 

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

To be fair there's only one side actually doing ethnic cleansing and it's not the one who the Ayatollah aligns with

Israel is apparently the worst ethnic cleanser with a still growing population of Palestinian Israelis  

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Air_Delivery said:

You are purposefully mischaracterizing what I said so 

What should I take from a post in which you say definitively that bombing random Jews on buses is justified if other Jews build settlements?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

29 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Israel is apparently the worst ethnic cleanser with a still growing population of Palestinian Israelis  

I forgot that because some few who are second class citizens by any definition are not subject to ethnic cleansing (not necessarily extermination, but certainly forced relocation and infrastructure destruction based upon nationality/ethnicity) then it can't happen.

 

Yes yes I know they're better off than non Israeli Arabs but they're still second class citizens. Might as well be arguing that Black Americans are better off here in America than they would have been had their ancestors not been enslaved and shipped across the Atlantic; technically potentially true (can't tell how different history would have been) but minimizes the injustices and maltreatment at the hands of the state in which they are supposed citizens.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

what strange bedfellows 

 

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I forgot that because some few who are second class citizens by any definition are not subject to ethnic cleansing (not necessarily extermination, but certainly forced relocation and infrastructure destruction based upon nationality/ethnicity) then it can't happen.

 

Yes yes I know they're better off than non Israeli Arabs but they're still second class citizens. Might as well be arguing that Black Americans are better off here in America than they would have been had their ancestors not been enslaved and shipped across the Atlantic; technically potentially true (can't tell how different history would have been) but minimizes the injustices and maltreatment at the hands of the state in which they are supposed citizens.

 

What state policies make them second class citizens in a way that is different from ethnic/racial minorities in America, as an example?

[AbsolutSurgen]

53 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I forgot that because some few who are second class citizens by any definition are not subject to ethnic cleansing (not necessarily extermination, but certainly forced relocation and infrastructure destruction based upon nationality/ethnicity) then it can't happen.

 

Yes yes I know they're better off than non Israeli Arabs but they're still second class citizens. Might as well be arguing that Black Americans are better off here in America than they would have been had their ancestors not been enslaved and shipped across the Atlantic; technically potentially true (can't tell how different history would have been) but minimizes the injustices and maltreatment at the hands of the state in which they are supposed citizens.

Are you referring to the arab citizens in Israel, or the residents of the West Bank/Gaza?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

34 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

 

What state policies make them second class citizens in a way that is different from ethnic/racial minorities in America, as an example?

 

21 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

Are you referring to the arab citizens in Israel, or the residents of the West Bank/Gaza?

Arab citizens of Israel are second class citizens and are treated in a similar manner as to minority citizens of the United States. From the Trump State Department:

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Arab Muslims, Christians, Druze, and Ethiopian citizens faced persistent institutional and societal discrimination.

 

There were multiple instances of security services or other citizens racially profiling Arab citizens. Some Arab civil society leaders described the government’s attitude toward the Arab minority as ambivalent; others cited examples in which Israeli political leaders incited racism against the Arab community or portrayed it as an enemy.

 

In 2018 the Knesset passed a basic law referred to as the Nation State Law. The law changes Arabic from an official language, which it had been since Israel adopted prevailing British Mandate law in 1948, to a language with a “special status.” The law also recognizes only the Jewish people as having a national right of self-determination and calls for promotion of “Jewish settlement” within Israel, which Arab organizations and leaders feared would lead to increased discrimination in housing and legal decisions pertaining to land. Druze leaders criticized the law for relegating a minority in the country to second-class-citizen status. Opponents also criticized the law for not mentioning the principle of equality to prevent harm to the rights of non-Jewish minorities.

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On October 1, the PHRI published a report based on Central Bureau of Statistics data and surveys indicating significant health gaps between Jewish and Arab populations. The Arab population was found to be lagging behind in life expectancy, infant mortality, morbidity, self-assessed health, diabetes, obesity, smoking rates and more. The report’s findings point to gaps, sometimes significant, in the quality of health-care services provided to the country’s Arab residents compared to Jewish residents. These gaps emerged particularly with respect to primary care in the community and to a much lesser degree in terms of specialist care. In March further gaps emerged with respect to the government’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

 

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

 

Arab citizens of Israel are second class citizens and are treated in a similar manner as to minority citizens of the United States. From the Trump State Department:

 

So is the US perpetrating ethnic cleaning? Are all nations where there are disparate outcomes for minorities relative to the majority population perpetrating ethnic cleansing?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

33 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

So is the US perpetrating ethnic cleaning? Are all nations where there are disparate outcomes for minorities relative to the majority population perpetrating ethnic cleansing?

We have engaged in ethnic cleansing in the past and there's a good case to be made that the deliberate and disproportionately poor educational, health, and material outcomes for minority groups are the lingering effects and/or continuation of deliberate state sponsored ethnic cleansing. You don't have to look hard at our history to find examples. Slum clearance and urban renewal projects, destruction of Black neighborhoods for urban highways, mass sterilization, Jim Crow and it's effects, Anti-Black pogroms, segregation, state assassination of "radical" leaders, etc. Take your pick! And that's just against Black citizens to say nothing of Native Americans or Mexicans or Chinese or the Irish/Italians before assimilation into American whiteness. This shit is ingrained deep the blood of this country since the start. In general it's the nature and blueprint of settler colonial/ethno states.

[Guest]

How about directly answering the question? A yes or no would even suffice for our purposes here!

[Jason]

35 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

How about directly answering the question? A yes or no would even suffice for our purposes here!

 

"Debate me you coward!"

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

"Debate me you coward!"

I’m shocked this wasn’t in the form of a tweet from somebody else

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

42 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

How about directly answering the question? A yes or no would even suffice for our purposes here!

I'm not gonna answer for all countries but given the continuum of what constitutes ethnic cleansing there are cases today where the US is engaging with ethnic cleansing domestically under the veneer of legality. (Many on the right would be all for the expulsion of so-called "illegals" which certainly would be full scale ethnic cleansing)

 

The disparate effects of education, health, and wealth can be signs of previous or ongoing ethnic cleansing but it doesn't always mean it is the case.

[Greatoneshere]

I think if you ask the Palestinians what they think and listen to them, which is what we do in many other cases of a race of ethnicity protesting/fighting for their lives, I'd argue they think they're being systematically wiped out, or something akin to it if we can set aside the pedantry for a second. I mean, whatever the reasons for the Palestinians' current situation, I'd say it's very bad, ethnic cleansing or not, and Israel has played a not insignificant role in that.

 

We should all be able to agree on that at least. If we can't, then we are coming at this in such different ways as to be interpreting the facts differently. This is aimed at no one in particular, just me putting out a basic thing so we don't lose the forest for the trees.

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

I think if you ask the Palestinians what they think and listen to them, which is what we do in many other cases of a race of ethnicity protesting/fighting for their lives, I'd argue they think they're being systematically wiped out, or something akin to it if we can set aside the pedantry for a second. I mean, whatever the reasons for the Palestinians' current situation, I'd say it's very bad, ethnic cleansing or not, and Israel has played a not insignificant role in that.

 

We should all be able to agree on that at least. If we can't, then we are coming at this in such different ways as to be interpreting the facts differently. This is aimed at no one in particular, just me putting out a basic thing so we don't lose the forest for the trees.

 

Many Black people think they are being exterminated by police shooting them, sincerely believe it to their core. And yet there is simply no rational standard by which that could be considered true. That doesn't mean the treatment of Black people by police is right, or that Black people get fair treatment in our criminal justice system in general. So the stories of individuals within a racial/ethnic group are meaningful and powerful, it doesn't mean their conclusions are correct.

 

The plight of the Palestinians is partly the responsibility of the Israeli government, yes. But that doesn't mean that we should support the bombing of random Jews on buses like a certain user said, or that we should advocate for the end of the Jewish state as @b_m_b_m_b_mhas because both of those things are rooted in anti-Semitism.