Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 The only real way to make the Israelis become serious about any type of solution is for the United States to threaten them with "derecognition" because that will open the door for the Europeans to follow suit. That's the ultimate stick when it comes to Israel. (Not that the United States should've recognized the independent Israeli state in the first place in 1948. Truman should've listened to George Marshall, James V. Forrestal, George F. Kennan, Robert Lovett, John J. McCloy, Paul Nitze and Dean Acheson who all strongly opposed Truman's rush to recognize - it would've saved the United States a helluva lot of Cold War headaches). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The only real way to make the Israelis become serious about any type of solution is for the United States to threaten them with "derecognition" because that will open the door for the Europeans to follow suit. That's the ultimate stick when it comes to Israel. If you could get Israel in board with such a threat a two state solution could work. You'd need the US and European nations to draw up borders and force Israelis out of Palestinian lands they've settled over the last decades. It's not like you can make a viable country out of a million enclaves surrounded by a nation that hates you. On the Palestinian end, it would require the election of a new government with respect to borders and each nation's sovereignty. Any encroachment by either nation would have to be viewed as an act of war with US/European nations backing the aggrieved state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: If you could get Israel in board with such a threat a two state solution could work. You'd need the US and European nations to draw up borders and force Israelis out of Palestinian lands they've settled over the last decades. It's not like you can make a viable country out of a million enclaves surrounded by a nation that hates you. On the Palestinian end, it would require the election of a new government with respect to borders and each nation's sovereignty. Any encroachment by either nation would have to be viewed as an act of war with US/European nations backing the aggrieved state. Ask the Ukraine how reliable US/European nations are at backing an aggrieved state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Ask the Ukraine how reliable US/European nations are at backing an aggrieved state. Ukraine is another nation that shouldn't exist anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 What did they win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 48 minutes ago, Jason said: This sounds suspiciously like cancel culture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 But don't take it from me! 'I was just canceled': An interview with Emily Wilder WWW.SFGATE.COM Wilder was fired from the AP and told she violated their social media policy. Quote "There's no question I was just canceled," Wilder told SFGATE by phone Thursday afternoon. "This is exactly the issue with the rhetoric around 'cancel culture.' To Republicans, cancel culture is usually seen as teens or young people online advocating that people be held accountable over accusations of racism or whatever it may be, but when it comes down to who actually has to deal with the lifelong ramifications of the selective enforcement of cancel culture — specifically over the issue of Israel and Palestine — it's always the same side." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: This sounds suspiciously like cancel culture You have to understand that Republicans aren't against "cancel culture"; they are against themselves being held accountable for their own shitty behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Cancel culture is disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Cancel culture is disgusting. Conservatives are the OG cancellers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: Conservatives are the OG cancellers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Guess you weren't alive during the 80s and 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: Guess you weren't alive during the 80s and 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Cancel culture is largely conservative noise about bitching that they can't use a hard "r" but it does have some legitimate cases like with this woman because she's actually not in favor of the powers that be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Love to be out here leveling buildings in order to destroy... *checks notes ...some fucking computers. Anytime someone wants to talk about the strength of IDF intelligence, I want them to reconcile that with the decision to level a building being used by the international media in order to destroy, at best, some computers. Does Hamas not have iCloud or something? Were they loaded with dank RTX cards that they'll need to get in a lottery for now? I've made better tactical decisions in Starcraft and my entire strategy in that game is just to hear the words "nuclear launch detected." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Christ, not even two months in the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 When, if ever, are people going to stop throwing red meat to the chud outrage machine? Have these people not caught on yet? There's no number of human sacrifices that are going to make these assholes not hate you and somehow view you as legitimate media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 coming to a protest near you (because these techniques are tested first upon Palestinians) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Jason said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 But on MSNBC yesterday I heard the Israeli government should be pretty unified and it's a Palestinian going rogue on firing rockets into Israel that we had to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Oh my god lmao 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Just saw a pretty sizable pro-Palestine protest moving through the downtown of my very WASP-y suburb. The times they are a-changin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Antisemitic crimes are on the rise in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 “Anti-Israel isn’t “Anti-Semitic” they always say. Yet anti-Israel sentiment always leads to increased attacks on Jews everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Anti-Israel isn’t always anti-semitic, no. It is for some, though, and that is tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 19 minutes ago, Joe said: Anti-Israel isn’t always anti-semitic, no. It is for some, though, and that is tragic. Agreed. Two things: A lot of pro state of Israel folks want you to inseparably conflate Judaism and jewishness with the Israeli state just so they can buttress criticism for the crimes of the state with anti semitism. Two, being for/supporting the state of Israel doesn't mean you're not anti semitic! There's plenty of anti semites who support the state of Israel! (See basically the entirety of the American right, "They get 'their state' there so we can have 'our state' here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: “Anti-Israel isn’t “Anti-Semitic” they always say. Yet anti-Israel sentiment always leads to increased attacks on Jews everywhere You expect opportunistic bigots to exercise nuance? These are the same idiots who yell at Koreans to go back to China and take their flu with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 50 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Two, being for/supporting the state of Israel doesn't mean you're not anti semitic! There's plenty of anti semites who support the state of Israel! (See basically the entirety of the American right, "They get 'their state' there so we can have 'our state' here) Also all the end times stuff that requires an Israeli state to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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